[geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof
- From: j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:19:05 -0800 (PST)
Philip,
Me in Red
Well finally I can begin to feel sane, because Paul has fallen...I do not
mean he was on the pedestal, but he managed to keep confusing me.. But now he
confirms his fall with this to Ja "I concur 100%"
Jar said, "he is facing the same direction all year long. If the observer
does not rotate with the axis, how can he see a star trail?" The observer
would not actually be rotating, Yes moving around the sun, but not rotating..
And this is very incomplete, and thus lacking in accuracy, and is a
contradiction. The two underlined are a contradiction. I qualified my above
statement with the removal or stopping of the earths daily rotation. Now since
the north pole always points at Polaris, then any other direction an observer
may face on any other place on the planet will not change over the course of a
year. Therefore there is no rotation of the observer with respect to the stars.
So there is no contradiction in my statement. I am simply trying to separate
the real motions (in HC) so that the results of each motion can be determined,
only then can we determine if we fail to see them.
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DIV { MARGIN: 0px } And If you meant this Paul, shame again,
though you had it in quotes....
In my imagination, I thought of the Earth's relationship to the Sun in the
the same way we tend to think of the Moon's relationship to the Earth -- "If we
always see the same face, it can't be spinning!"
As you know the moon makes one complete rotation for every orbit of the
earth.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof
Well finally I can begin to feel sane, because Paul has fallen...I do not
mean he was on the pedestal, but he managed to keep confusing me.. But now he
confirms his fall with this to Ja "I concur 100%"
Jar said, "he is facing the same direction all year long. If the observer
does not rotate with the axis, how can he see a star trail?" The observer
would not actually be rotating, Yes moving around the sun, but not rotating..
And this is very incomplete, and thus lacking in accuracy, and is a
contradiction. The two underlined are a contradiction.
How can any observer maintain a fixed orientation and face the exact same
direction in space all year long? The only co-ordinate he can chose is a star,
and it is this star's status, stationary or moving, that is under question.
???? The closest to this would be to face vertically N.. And because the earths
motion is under question even this is not actually determinate.
Only if the world were static, or the stars were static and unmoving could
this orientation be achieved, and it is this continuous and unending problem of
indeterminate relative motions that is being debated, so far without success.
None of us with all the uncountable drawings plans explanations has come even
close to an acceptable understanding or concensus. Everything we try is
thwarted because of the need to assume some basic premise which is contestable.
So far I see no sound proof offered to Regner. Not 5, not 1. Excepting
perhaps the revolutionary hypothesis on the aether, not acceptable to MS or
Regner. My rational expectations is that GWW and Roberts input will be
dispensed with a very short and concise rebuttal as being inconclusive.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:40 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof
J A
I concur 100%.
Now what would you see if you repeated the experiment but with the Earth's
axis magically made orthogonal to the plane of revolution -- the ecliptic
plane? (The axis is now pointing at the (north or south) ecliptic pole).
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, 3 November, 2007 4:32:16 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dual Axis Proof
I want to take one more stab at our Proof. From the AC position, If we could
magically stop the planet in it's path around the sun but still rotating daily,
we could still observe the nightly star trails, because the observer is
rotating with the axis. If we could magically stop the daily rotation but not
the yearly, what would we see? The observer would not actually be rotating, Yes
moving around the sun, but not rotating. Now reduce the baseline to zero and
what is the observer doing? It's the same whether the baseline is zero or 1au,
he is facing the same direction all year long. If the observer does not rotate
with the axis, how can he see a star trail?
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: To prove it take a camera
and spin it at 23.44 degrees subtended to the perpendicular. now spin the
camera 365 times on the 23.44 degree axis for every one time that the whole
apparatus is rotated 360 degrees .........this will adequately demonstrate the
effect and since the observers scale (observers distance from axis of rotation)
makes no difference and we would be using actual stars at actual distances
there can be no protest of scale......
All is well in the house of the Geocentric
Universe.............ahhhhhhhhh......:)
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not to dispare..you see it does not matter ..why? ..because the nightly moves
through 360 degress 365 times for ever 1 anual rotation so the observer is at
some point all through out the 365 nights is going to be in rotaion about the
anual axis in all 360 degreess ......there will be a star trail but only on the
nightly axis everything as stated previously still applies.. and it would all
be a big blur.....but we already have that photo available to us.....it is not
blured at all by stars tracing out multiple paths simoltaniously...
j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Everybody,
I see a potential problem we need to consider in developing the dual axis
proof, which potentially could render it unusable. From an A-centric position,
basically it is this: On the nightly star trail the observer is moving along
the axis of rotation, therefore the view of the axis doesn't change. On the
annual star trail the observer is moving along a path that is 23.5 degrees off
of the axis of rotation. This means that the observers view of the axis is
changing by the same amount that a particular star moves around that axis,
therefore negating the motion, making it appear to be motionless.
Now if this is true, then to test whether the annual star trail exists, the
observer would have to travel north or south by a certain number of degrees for
each successive observation such that his path remains on the axis of rotation
in question. The problem here is that if we did this we would be reversing the
problem and should expect to see an annual trail even if Geo-centrism were the
truth because we would be observing based on a created axis.
Any axis we create will show what we should expect it to whether AC or GC is
the actual truth.
What does everyone think? I'm depressed.
JA
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