[geocentrism] Re: Conspiracy and global warming.
- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:40:15 -0800 (PST)
Neville J
No -- it is probabilities. Faith is believing without demonstration or yet the
possibility of demonstration. Faith is what buoys you up -- not me. I have
confidence that the weight of evidence is still on my side.
Concerning ' ... just as blind to all topics now as you were on the day that
you joined.' Funny, I was thinking just the same about you! The point to my
being here is that I didn't see just how anyone could hold to the views about
life, the universe and everything that you all do, so I sought to find out.
Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for some assertion which is backed by
repeatable experimental results, because that is what it will take to change my
mind. Endless accusations of lying -- as I think I have remarked previously --
just won't do it. And anyway, I am learning -- though perhaps not the lessons
you might imagine.
Paul D
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From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, 17 November, 2008 8:49:55 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Conspiracy and global warming.
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From: paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:08:22 +0000 (GMT)
Neville J
1. How do you know that the political view is supported by "most of those
qualified to express an opinion," rather than being the view broadcast by those
who have access to the media?
I don't know. There is no such thing as certainty. But on the balance of
probabilities, it is the more reasonable position. No, it has nothing to do
with probabilities, but simply where you are putting your faith.
2. Do you accept that what the Sun does is a pretty big part of what nature
does and that what we (individually or collectively) do is pretty insignificant
in comparison?
I accept that the Sun is the dominant factor. I also accept that what Man does
is cumulative with the efforts of the Sun. Again, I accept that what we are
doing is taking the Sun's energy accumulated in millions of years of vegetation
deposition and releasing it in a few short years. It is as though the Sun shone
more brightly during this period.
This seems a rather desperate attempt to hold your position in the face of
scientific evidence. You are too stubborn to reason with, but appear to obtain
comfort in having a view presented to you by those who you think should take
your responsibility to reason away from you and place on their own shoulders
the responsibility of 'educating' you. I fail to understand what you get from a
forum like this, since you are just as blind to all topics now as you were on
the day that you joined. What is the point?
Neville
www.realityreviewed.com
Philip M
Paul in essence you are saying just in case CO2 will cause global warming, we
must pay the enormous cost of stopping or changing our life style.. But the CO2
fiasco was based on really bad science. It denies basic principles, ignored the
sun among many other , and supported big business profit innitiatives ..
Well we have to change our lifestyle sooner or later -- there are not the
resources for all to live as we in Australia live, let alone the profligate
life style of USA and those who would emulate them. It might as well be now.
And in your opinion, which differs from so MANY others, we should just go on as
we have done till now?
I'll ask you a personal question here if I may -- what is your opinion on the
suggestion that we have already '... filled the Earth' and should stop
multiplying?
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Some of the more pessimistic assessments of global warming (those involving
methane hydrates (see ie
http://www.hydrogen.co.uk/h2_now/journal/articles/3_Methane.htm)) suggest the
possible extinction of humanity among other species. Are you prepared to stand
before the Judgement Seat and plead that you were so sure of yourself that you
were prepared for selfish reasons to take the risk of this extinction? Or that
you acted as you thought was right in opposing those more prudent regardless of
the possible penalties?
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Paul D
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