I wish, however, that I could express the same confidence in my abilities as you express in yours in your closing statements. Paul D Then you must be much younger than I and suffered a bad education system.. Did you know that in the 40's every student had a subject, the name escapes me, where in it was required before 3rd grade to know most of the important bones and organs of the human body. I can remember elocution, that was another essential subject no kid today would know of. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Climate change Philip M My recollection is that (and here without research I cannot recall the names) a churchman in the past said something like "First believe and then you will understand". Later another churchman said "Seek understanding and then you will believe". I place more confidence in the latter position. I don't have any serious argument with anything else in this post. I wish, however, that I could express the same confidence in my abilities as you express in yours in your closing statements. Paul D