JA My crtique of you, In short is, you fall to see in yourself that which you are most critical of in others.. Many years ago, one of those events occurred to me which you remember always as a point of departure. I was in a social setting among peers, when I observed one of these people do or say -- I cannot now recall the details -- something which struck me as particularly irritating. At almost the same moment, an association formed in my mind "Hey wait -- you've been guilty of that!" In that moment, I resolved that whenever I was irritated by someone else's action, I would immediately perform a quick self audit. I found to my embarrassment that this process revealed numerous such occasions. I still find such occasions after all those years, but I am sure that my persona has improved by whatever small degree. The Science Establishment is your God and Scientists your priests. Once a subject is defined by your priests, you fall lock-step behind them, until they change there minds, then you do to. Prove me wrong! What of modern science do you question or seriously doubt? Anything? Did you read this? Did you understand it? If you did then I have difficulty understanding your comment unless you are accusing me of either delusion or dishonesty. My OCD defines religion (in part) as " Human recognition of superhuman controlling power and especially of a personal God entitled to obedience, effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude". I do not see science meeting this definition. (Emphasis added). There are many things in modern science I do not understand and on these I have no opinion. Of those things which I think I do understand, I can't think of anything with which I disagree. It is not a crime or a sin or even a shortcoming to agree with someone because you find his argument convincing. Would you be less critical of me if I confessed to believing that gravity is a fraud -- the reason a stone falls to earth is because it longs to be reunited with its origin? Now tell me -- since I have answered your question -- is there anything in your philosophical sphere with which you disagree? Finally, you clearly disagree with me on many things yet you fail to engage on any point which I make an effort to explain. I don't understand why. No matter. The one thing I asked you to do however was to read a single page at this site http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0033-5770%28199012%2965%3A4%3C447%3ADYISG%3E2.0.CO%3B2-X&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage Again you failed to engage. Did you read it? If not, I ask it of you again, as a personal favour -- please read it, in the context of the point I was making, and engage with me, however briefly, on your impressions. Paul D _________________________________________________________________________________ How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable environment in Australia? Go to Yahoo!7 Answers and share your idea. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/aunz/lifestyle/answers/y7ans-babp_reg.html