[geocentrism] Re: Celestial Poles
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:17:43 -0800 (PST)
1. There is a fundamental difference between angular displacement as show in
the top drawing verse a angular view..All you are describing Ja is a angular
view. There is no problem observing a rotational effect even with a angular
view. A angular view does not and will not ever make the motion or its effects
disappear. Even Regner agreed.
2. Stars on the same celestial latitude are not the issue here. No one is
arguing that the stars will be in motion on their various latitudes. The
cameras change on the latitude itself ( around any circle of latitude) is not
the issue. That motion is irrelevant. If the rotation of HC exist the latitude
itself (stars on a latitude that sits 23.44 degrees to the celestial axis) wrt
the cameras orientation would and must change, otherwise you cannot claim the
motions as per HC period. You are confusing the cameras circular rotation
around a given latitude with the orbital rotational motion. That motion would
and must show stars out of their given nightly celestial latitudes particularly
the ones that sit near the ecliptic axis of rotation.
j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Refer to your 3d drawing. The camera you
have maintains a parrallel position to the nightly axis, but to the annual axis
the angle changes. If the left most earth is the start point and the camera is
pointing 23.44 degrees to the left of the annual axis and 6 months later earth
is on the far right.... the camera, while turned 180 degrees, is still pointing
23.44 degrees to the left, when if you had wished to record the annual axis,
the camera should now be angled 23.44 degrees to the right of the annual axis.
Place a star (think Polaris and place near the nightly axis) on your drawing
and think about where it will fall on the photo plate for the two positions,
far left earth and far right earth.... the camera as you have it positioned
will only record positions which correspond to the nightly.....
j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The camera, when fixed to the earth follows the nightly axis and thus
changes orientation with regard to any other axis, including the 24 hour path
you are trying to use to record an annual... it still moves around the nightly
axis and thereby changes angles with the annual.
Think of the difference between the camera locations and angle to the annual
axis when the camera is 6 months apart.... From winter to summer is the easiest
to see.... don't use fall to spring.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The cameras orientation to any and all axis or latitudes in the sky never
changes ....
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Blue......
Allen, Your conception and logic are all correct, except for camera position
during recording. The camera postion never changes ..?The camera must maintain
the same angle to the axis in question during recording. It does!.I have
demonstrated this as a fact not jsut the circular reasoning that keeps getting
passed around...( you can only see it if there is a rotation.. There is no
rotation, that?s why you can?t see it)..Never mind that the cameras orientation
to the common point in question is in a radial orientation to that point every
24 hours and the angle of the camera never changes to the axis we are trying to
observe and that simply looking away does not make it or the effect go away
...!?
The camera in all cases under consideration (and in my drawing) still rotate
about the nightly axis, therefore it will only record a nightly star trail.
That is a assertion that is the point of discussion here. However, It also
rotates around the ecliptic axis. the orbit also translates to the ecliptic
plane not the celestial axis. the two are not one and the same thing. In order
to record an annual star trail, the camera must rotate about the annual
axis..and to do that you must change the angle of the camera with each
photo.absolutly not.. but this would work for a fictitious axis too. yes any
path that can produce a radial oreintaion to a common point.
JA...
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