[geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
- From: "Cheryl" <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:55:55 -0500
Robert -- But Allen pointed out the Scripture says he was in the heart of
the earth three days and three nights. Your explanation works for three
days and two nights only. Unless the Scripture means that Jesus rose, then
went to Hades for three days and three nights where he "led captivity
captive." Actually Jesus was not buried in the center of the earth, but
was laid in a tomb.
So I think the explanation of Carl is the true one as to the resurrection of
the body of Jesus.
Thanks for helping me think it through.
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
> Cheryl,
>
> There are two things needed to compare our present method of measuring
> time
> with the Biblical Jews:
>
> The day was - and still is - measured from sundown to sundown - cf. the
> first 6 days.
> Any part of a day was considered a day - no division into hours, etc.
>
> From 3 PM Friday to 7 AM Sunday we would term 40 hours, or less than 2
> days.
> The Jews would reckon this as 3 days.
>
> Robert
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cheryl
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:26 AM
>> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
>>
>>
>> Allen -- I forgot about that verse. Do you have a way to harmonize this
>> with the passages Carl cites? I'm sure they can be, but I don't
>> know how to
>> do it. Cheryl
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allen Daves" <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:10 AM
>> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
>>
>>
>> > Matthew 12: 39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and
>> > adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be
>> > given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
>> > 40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
>> whale's belly; so
>> > shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the
>> > earth.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Carl -- I agree with you that Jesus was not in the grave for three days
>> > but
>> > rather a day or less.
>> >
>> > We celebrated Seder (sp?) at our church this year on Thursday before
>> > Easter.
>> > It was the first time I'd ever gone to one, and I loved it. We had no
>> > choice but to celebrate it on the wrong date because it would make no
>> > sense
>> > to celebrate it after the Easter date ordained by, I guess, the Roman
>> > Catholics. Cheryl
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Carl Felland"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:38 PM
>> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
>> >
>> >
>> >> Neville,
>> >>
>> >> The short answer is "No."
>> >>
>> >> My longer response is two-fold. First, that your thesis would
>> >> necessitate the understanding that the New Moon is the Full Moon and
>> >> second, that the Gospels do not show Messiah in the grave for
>> three days.
>> >>
>> >> Passover and the first day of Unleavened Bread fall in the
>> middle of the
>> >> month on the 14th and 15th, respectively. Now, there is a very small
>> >> group of people who argue that the New Moon is the Full Moon, which
>> >> may
>> >> allow your thesis. I can't see this as a possibility because of
>> >> history
>> >> and logic. History, as in dictionary definitions, shows the New Moon
>> >> being firstly astonomical new moon and secondly a crescent moon.
>> >> Logically, the two primary divisions of the moon's appearance
>> from earth
>> >> are when it is visible and when it is not visible. The period when it
>> >> is not visible is that unique period of time each month that I argue
>> >> is
>> >> a "month-end/beginning" holiday. The Full Moon is still important, but
>> >> as the second sabbath of the month and being at the beginning of the
>> >> pilgramage feasts of Unleavened Bread in the first month and
>> Tabernacles
>> >> in the seventh month.
>> >>
>> >> Concerning the Gospel accounts... In Mark 15: 42 "And now when the
>> >> even
>> >> was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the
>> >> sabbath," we see Messiah's death and burial on the preparation, the
>> >> day
>> >> before the sabbath. Exodus 16:5 shows that the day before the weekly
>> >> sabbath is a preparation. The next reference to sabbath is Mark 16: 1
>> >> "And when the sabbath was past..." Logically, this would be the same
>> >> sabbath that was referred to in Mark 15: 42. Compare also Luke 23: 54-
>> >> 24: 1.
>> >>
>> >> In Matthew 27: 62 "Now the next day, that followed the day of the
>> >> preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together
>> unto Pilate,"
>> >> we see again the preparation and based on the above evidence the next
>> >> day would be the sabbath. Continuing on to Matthew 28: 1 again we have
>> >> the women going to the tomb after the sabbath on the first day of the
>> >> week. [An alternately punctuated Matthew 27: 66 - Matthew 28: 1 as "So
>> >> they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and
>> setting a
>> >> watch in the end of the sabbath. As it began to dawn toward the first
>> >> [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
>> >> sepulchre." may better hamonize the Gospels.] In John 19:31 "The Jews
>> >> therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not
>> >> remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an
>> >> high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that]
>> >> they might be taken away." The preparation was for a weekly sabbath
>> >> day, that also happened to be an high day. In John 19: 42- 20: 1 again
>> >> we see no gaps in the sequence of 1st day) preparation where death and
>> >> burial occurred (Passover), 2nd day) sabbath in the grave (First day
>> >> of
>> >> Unleavened Bread), and 3rd day) first day of the week with
>> >> resurrection
>> >> (Wave Sheath offering). This sequence fits the resurrection on the
>> >> third day as in Luke 24:46 "And said unto them, Thus it is written,
>> >> and
>> >> thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third
>> >> day:"
>> >>
>> >> On another note, I found a error in my Biblical Calendar overview.
>> >> Towards the end in the New Moon section the last sentence should read
>> >> "The crescent may be easily visible after twenty four to thirty six
>> >> hours depending on location, local conditions, lag time, etc."
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> Dr. Neville Jones wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Carl,
>> >>>
>> >>>Sorry, I meant the Sabbath on the 29th, which precedes the New
>> Moon, and
>> >>>thus explains the gap before the "first day of the week."
>> >>>
>> >>>Yours in Christ,
>> >>>
>> >>>Neville.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"Dr. Neville Jones" wrote:
>> >>>Carl,
>> >>>
>> >>>In your opinion, is it possible that Christ's execution took
>> place on the
>> >>>day before a New Moon, thus explaining how he was in the memorial tomb
>> >>>for
>> >>>three days?
>> >>>
>> >>>Neville.
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