Phil, The issuse is not the first rainbow but the first rain and the text states that God did not let it rain but does indicate how things were wattered absent of rain.....Genisis 2:5-6..."there went a mist form the earth and watered the whole face of the ground".....all things considered Nevilles point was valid in that it needs to be addressed............i did so in my last post .......My last post: Where does it mention clouds in the Genesis?....MS knows that clouds are formed via condensation seeds. Further, they claim Cosmic rays/particles entering earths atmosphere are the primary external of man made, condensation seeds......(trapped cosmic rays form the aurora borealis and such).....The amount of these cosmic rays that get into our atmosphere are directly correlated to solar activity.. at solar maximum the earths Magnetic field is significantly "blown away"/ reduced in its effectiveness, so as to allow for cosmic particles to enter the earths magnetic field...... ...However, even MS asserts that in the past the earths magnetic field was significantly stronger and on a much smaller earth it would be a more dense field as well..thus it is conceivable that no cosmic rays were allowed to reach earth in any significant quantities to allow for condensation seeds in the atmosphere....strong mag field = no cosmic rays=condensation seeds =no clouds=no rain ....................... I'm from the southeast and on a hot humid days (even without any clouds the atmosphere can hold plenty of muggy humidity)..... the morings will be cool with plenty of dew....... ----- Original Message ---- From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 3:20:29 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: An amusing article Philip touches upon an interesting problem here when he says that before the Flood there was no rain. However, because of the way that the water cycle works (mentioned in Eccl. along with geocentrism), this could not have been true. Neville No problem Neville A closer read of Genises reveals that God used the rainbow as a sign to remember His covenant not to destroy by flood again. This did not say explicitly that it was the first rainbow. Hence rain has always been . I had read years ago, and believed, erroneously, that this was the first time a rainbow had ever occured.. such is a childish myth apparently, as my reading today shows no such thing. The evangelical documentary was Bible based, and was the same documentary which gave me the idea of the water above making a lenze in the atmosphere, where they claimed the stars were more brilliant preflood. You dispensed with this claim before. I retract my words and will reajust the overview. Philip. 13 I will set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be the sign of a covenant between me, and between the earth. 14 And when I shall cover the sky with clouds, my bow shall appear in the clouds: 15 And I will remember my covenant with you, and with every living soul that beareth flesh: and there shall no more be waters of a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 And the bow shall be in the clouds, and I shall see it, and shall remember the everlasting covenant, that was made between God and every living soul of all flesh which is upon the earth.