[geocentrism] Re: A short synopsis.
- From: Dan <danchap9@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
Philip take a look at this link you can move the mouse all over the page there
are links everywhere concerning the time line.It's a detailed chronological
chart of the plan from Genesis to Revelation.
http://illuminate10.tripod.com/Bible_Chronology.1.htm
Dan.
Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the
nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to
worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Carl
Oh yes! The last Pope will move the Holy See to Jerusalem, Rome apparently
being nuked out of existence. He will call himself Peter II. All the Jews and
Muslims and protestants become Catholic. (the feast of tabernacles. will be the
Continuing eternal sacrifice of the Mass, in Latin of course) After this the
people will last a generation, fall again under the reign of the Antichrist,
then Jesus returns in all power, God will destroy the world, and separate the
sheep from the goats........
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Felland
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
Allen,
What you say sounds right until I read the prophecy in context. Yes, many
repented in Jerusalem and realized that Y'shua who was just crucified was
Messiah. This prophecy, however, does not seem to have been fulfilled on a
national level.
The ultimate goal in Yah's plan is not to have Jerusalem destroyed forever, but
to have the nations that come against Jerusalem destroyed. Although Jerusalem
was destroyed in 70 AD and the Jews driven out of the land in 135 AD, Rome is
still alive and well.
The prophecies read of the rule of the earth again coming out of Jerusalem.
This rule includes the keeping of the Feast of Tabernacles. When, for example,
has Zechariah 14:16 been fulfilled?
Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy
all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the
nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to
worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
( N)Of course they prophesized until John the Baptist. No one is disputing
that. There have been no prophets since then. The disciple John is not a
prophet. Can you not see that this is talking of prophets, not what they
actually said, which is what Yeshuwa' is talking of with regard to heaven and
earth passing away. For example, they (the Jews) will look upon the one that
they pierced, is a prophecy that has not yet been fulfilled.
( A) Of course it has been fulfilled ?????..JOHN 19: 34. But one of the
soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and
water. 35. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he
knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36. For these things were
done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be
broken. 37. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they
pierced????..I may not be able to convince you but the truth could not be any
more obvious. The LAW & PROPHETS were concerning the new covenant and the
coming of the messiah and his mission that is what Jesus plainly stated that he
came to fulfill and was talking about? he did fulfill it and that generation
passed away all things were fulfilled, only by denying the gospel of Christ can
you make that assertion that is the Gospels of Christ that all things were
fulfilled ??. not sure why this is an issue for you , this sequence of
events
was prophesied in the law and by the prophets .. secondly Christianity and the
Church had yet to be established the prophesy of John is not of the LAW &
PROPHETS, it is the?? Revelation 1: 1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ,.. Jesus
said he came to fulfill the LAW & PROPHETS in so doing delivered the new
covenant. You are comparing apples with oranges by ignoring the context of his
comments, that he himself qualified. I quoted and demonstrated from the law and
the prophets that your position is inconstant both in terms of anyone?s ability
to keep the lawin the first place and your use of scripture and failure to
prove the invalidity of Paul?s teachings or the words of Peter??.if indeed as
you say it was not Peter. I see no validity in any of your assertions. However,
I accept that I can not convince you, however, I am not sure what you mean by
you are willing to look at the evidence.. I quoted it both Jesus and the Law
and Prophets, if you re ject easy and plain scripture, I
don?t
know how you could see though one show it to you??.. Maybe we can find some
other common ground.
"Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
( N) Tell me, if all has been fulfilled, as you mistakenly claim, then why are
we still awaiting the fulfilment of certain prophecies? Why "all WILL be
fulfilled"?
( A) Your further comments about awaiting prophesy.. ....Mat 11:13... "For all
the prophets and the law prophesied UNTILL John. Jesus Qualifies the prophesies
that HE WAS TO FULFILL, that pertain to HIS MISSION and the NEW COVENANT and
JOHN THE BABTIST was THE LAST ONE!....... What prophesies are you referring to
that we are waiting for?......... Revelation was not written by John the
Baptist, it was written after him.. to the Christians. He was the LAST of the
LAW and PROPHETS in the context that Jesus. Again you demonstrate you inability
to handle the word of God properly.
Of course they prophesized until John the Baptist. No one is disputing that.
There have been no prophets since then. The disciple John is not a prophet. Can
you not see that this is talking of prophets, not what they actually said,
which is what Yeshuwa' is talking of with regard to heaven and earth passing
away. For example, they (the Jews) will look upon the one that they pierced, is
a prophecy that has not yet been fulfilled.
A) I will respect your concerns about attachments. and keep them to the limits
you specify if i need to demonstrate........ However, You have yet to establish
that he was not a Apostle.
You have demonstrated that you will defend what you perceive to be the written
word of YeHVah, and I commend you for that. But Steven, Carl, Dan, myself,
etc., will do the same. We are prepared to open our eyes and consider the
evidence, but you are not. For instance, since you made mention of this
"apostle" thing, I have been pondering the word, "apostle." Where does it come
from? I am not sure and hence I have removed it from the webpage that discusses
Matthew's gospel. It may be that Saul of Tarsus was using a Hebrew word that
identified himself as "the man," or the "chosen man," which was translated into
Greek as the equivalent of "apostle." Only Luke refers to "apostle," and Luke
was a "co-worker" with Saul (see Saul's letter to Philemon - at the very end).
It would be better if we could work together on this.
Neville.
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