[geocentrism] Re: 666
- From: j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Allen, I got this one and the original - no problem.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The last two were the same
Martin Did you get this one..?
Here are the attachments I forgot to send ....they are web pages i wrote not
finished but usable correlations and relationships...............
1. Yes, now I think we are getting somewhere....You made a valid point and
although I was not giving it a lot of consideration I was not doing so because
it had no bearing on the issue before us... .. I thought we were arguing the
Persian kings chronologies and dates and how those relate to 70 weeks and how
that relates to 666..When you kept referencing the dates for the chapters I
could not make sense of your comments that?s why I kept after you to concede.
If your argument was based on the dates for the chapters, then there was/is no
argument to make.......nor would it affect any of my arguments......In any
case, thank you for pointing that out ....However, lets continue with the
preeminent issues, Persian kings Chrono, the 70 weeks and 666 years or 666th
year...
2. And as for the can of worms, I wrote my comments here so as to tie that
and many other things together. Although they are not it is not dependent on
each other they are worth consideration. I do not want to entirely detract from
the whole 70 weeks and 666 thing which is the (666 thread)/my primary
focus...see my comments below on the "can-o-worms"
In the mean time, we've opened another can of worms: the identity of the
visually stunning individual at Dan. 10:4-8, and whether that is Jesus or an
angel (the angel of v. 9ff). I've already pointed out that a minority of
commentators agree with you (Young, Keil, Henry, etc.), and being in the
minority doesn't mean they (or you) are wrong. But none of these scholars calls
the majority view "nonsense," for they realize that their own hypothesis is
hardly free of problems. So, while I have respect for their scholarship
(meaning I won't label the Jesus hypothesis "nonsense"), it's important not to
sweep its problems under the rug. Responsible scholarship proceeds by
acknowledging problems and working out tenable solutions, not labeling the
opposing view "nonsense." None of the scholars who agrees with you as to the
being's identity think that this is a vision of the future: it was Jesus as he
was in His glory on 24 Nisan, 3rd year of Cyrus. They believe the message
concerning things to come follows once Daniel is prepared to hear it, which is
more than a dozen verses later in the narrative.
The Key to understanding is the "certain man" & the "Voice of many waters"
and the other parallels to Christ found in Revelation............... it has
everything to do with the narration of ch's 11&12 which themselves are related
to ch8 and the time of trouble such as never was....Ch 10 again....
10:5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man
clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6. His body
also was like the Beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his
eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished
brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude..........8
Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no
strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I
retained no strength. 9. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard
the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face
toward the ground. It does not record those words spoken by the man in the
vison JESUS..Daniel fell asleep..... It only records what took place latter,
the interpretation of the dream by the angel who had the appearance of a man
but not a man...the Vison is of a "CERTAIN MAN"
10. And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the
palms of my hands. ..................it does not say the hand of the one who?s
voice I heard in the vison...In the vison Daniel fell asleep when he heard the
voice of the vison that had the sound of many waters.
10:18. Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man,
and he strengthened me,
It does not say the appearance of the "certain man" described in
v5-7.........Again the Angel has the "appearance of a man" but the vison was
specific to a "CERTAIN MAN" . The Certain Man is Jesus who came in the latter
days to which the following chapters 11& 12 are also in referenced to his
days....The whole vison is verse 5-7 v9 is narration of what took place next
and 10 is where next the angel ( one that had the appearance of a man) even
comes into this narrative.
This man Jesus is describe here as someone coming in the latter days and
revelation describes that same Certain man who is...JESUS not any angel past or
present.
The problem is also most folk don?t understand the significance of having the
voice of many waters ..it makes no sense for an angel to even use that kind of
voice, It can only refer to Jesus!
Daniel 10:5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man
clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6. His body
also was like the Beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his
eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished
brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude..........8
Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no
strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I
retained no strength. 9. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard
the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face
toward the ground.
Revelation 1:11. Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,
What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are
in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira,
and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12. And I turned to
see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden
candlesticks; 13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the
Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps
with a golden girdle. 14. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white
as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15. And his feet like unto fine
brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many
waters.
Revelation 2:18. And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These
things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and
his feet are like fine brass;
Revelation 14:1. And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and
with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written
in their foreheads. 2. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many
waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers
harping with their harps:
Revelation 19:5. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God,
all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6. And I heard
as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and
as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God
omnipotent reigneth.
The significance of the voice with the sound of many waters is the waters are
the many different peoples of God that is why Christ has the sound of many
waters we are the many waters, The Body of Christ!?.The harlot too sits on many
waters which is also many different peoples we are distinguished by Head of
Jesus Christ??.The Church is the Body of Christ Where Christ is the head but
the head of the beast was Babylon?Where Mystery Babylon is distinguished by its
Head ?.the feet Rome always are called by the name of the Head they are
attached to. BABYLON "let him who hath understanding count the number of the
beast for it is the number of a man and is number is 666".
That is why the Certain man in Daniel ch10 has the voice of many waters that
is the significance to Ch 10-12 and at that time a time of trouble such as
never was Jesus points that out It is Jesus that is Pouring out the desolation
in ch9 via the Golden cup (see Attached zip Golden Cup of ) of wrath the harlot
sits on many waters Revelation 17: 1. And there came one of the seven angels
which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I
will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many
waters:?.. 4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and
decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her
hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5.And upon her
forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of
the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and
when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.??
Jeremiah 51:7. Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made
all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the
nations are mad. 8. Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her;
take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.
Revelation 14:8. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen,
is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of
the wrath of her fornication.
The whole point to referring to Babylon it was not destroyed back in the
day!???? Jeremiah is a prophecy about the spiritual city of blood (see attached
zip City of Blood)not just a Physical kingdom of his day ..contrasted with the
City New Jerusalem which is a spiritual city not a physical one???..
Revelation 19:7. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready?. 12. His
eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a
name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13. And he was clothed with a
vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God..
Revelation 21:2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down
from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 9. And
there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of
the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew
thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10. And he carried me away in the spirit to a
great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem,
descending out of heaven from God,
The correlations found in scripture define scripture not men?s ill conceived
lack of discernment. ....Like most things folk have it all backwards. The book
of Daniel does not supercede Revelation, it is Jesus & in his Revelation that
expounds upon Daniel and the rest of the OT... Never mind any notions about
relating the Angel in Daniel to Jesus, Worse, it is Jesus they are attempting
to ascribe to as an Angel..!?.
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