Me in blue .. wher in the world are you getting your times ? not from scripture i have attached the relevant chart with scriptural references.... "Martin G. Selbrede" <mselbrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Two major problems here, revealed below... On May 23, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Allen Daves wrote: I know Ezra is latter then Nehemiah that is my point! Well, then, you know something that not a single Bible scholar knows: that the 7th year of Artaxerxes occurred after the 20th year of Artaxerxes. Truly amazing. This is why I cannot accept what you're saying most of the time: it is too obviously mistaken. WRONG WRONG WRONG who told you that? Do you bother to read the scripture or do you just take it from a commentary? On May 23, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Allen Daves wrote: 2. Daniel Ch 9,11 & 12 were all given in the same year Here you're mistaken again. Daniel 9:1 begins in the first year of Darius, while Daniel 10:1 takes us to the 3rd year of Cyrus, after the regime change predicted with Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin (the hand writing on the wall). Dan. 11:1 does NOT take us back to the first period at all, because the statements are out of the mouth of the angel who is relating WHEN he started to answer Daniel's prayer, as the angels advises Daniel at 10:12. The angel is informing him that he (the angel) has been working on Daniel's behalf for years now, since the first year of Darius before the regime change to Persian rule. It's a history lesson, not a re-setting of the time marker of composition. It'd be like someone saying in 2007 that "I've been helping you since you first asked for help in 2002" and then claiming the sentence was written in 2002. No, no, and, uh, no. So, here we go: I said that the visions were several years apart, you say the passages all occurred in the same year. You obviously do not read the scripture ..? ch 9:1 ch 11:1 ch 12 is continued from ch 11 see also the Ch8 11, & 12 parelles for corelations with those. You claim is mistaken. You didn't bother to read the passage you claim to such expertise on. You really should consider reading these passages of Scripture, rather than your own charts. You'd get farther along in understanding that way. Recap: the entire sequence Daniel 10 through 12 were visions given in the third year of Cyrus. None of it was given in the first year of Darius, but chapter 9 WAS given in the first year of Darius. Allen, you're misleading the forum readership with your continued misstatements. the misleading here is not coming from me what are you talking about i have ginve book ch and verse for all my dates and times..? see also atttached charts Martin