Dear Marc, That is the whole point of the drawing to illustrate what the heliocentrist's claim! I left out a lot of explanation because Neville had already done it, check back to Neville's last drawing and his fuller explanation. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: Geocentric Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing Nice try Jack, If the green circles are a fixed spot on the Earth, this means you are using an heliocentric model (in which your fixed spot moves annually relative to the Sun and stars ... as well as daily). So in this (HC) case the different positions of the fixed spot along the ecliptic plane illustrate the (assumed) annual motion of the Earth and the red circle don't make any sense! Those red circle would only make sense in a GC system where the green filled circles would illustrate the annual motion of the Sun along the ecliptic (with the Earth at the center of the drawing) and the red circles would illustrate the daily motion of the Sun (which is the daily motion of the aether carying the Sun and stars). Keep trying Jack, Marc V ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Lewis Sent: 18 novembre 2007 09:38 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] 2 Axes of rotation - drawing Dear All, This is my attempt to explain more graphically Neville's last drawing showing the two axes of rotation. 1 The green circles are a fixed spot on the world shown in four different positions traversing the ecliptic path. The NEP is perpendicular to the grey ecliptic plane. This illustrates the world's 24 hour rotation. I have tried to take great care to get the geometry correct within the limitations of my drawing software. 2 The green circles also represent the world traversing its annual orbit about the NCP. These are shown as red ellipses. The NEP, according to my drawing geometry, also traverses the NCP. Since there are two rotations happening simultaneously but at very different velocities the illustration can only show an NCP rotation (red ellipses) extrapolated for a whole year. I value comments by all as to whether I have understood the problem or not. I do have a series of 12 illustrations, similar to the one below, showing the position of the ecliptic plane every 30 degrees about the NCP. Jack Lewis www.classiccarartist.co.uk