Thanks - we may head that way this weekend and do some camping. We are having camping/cache withdrawals because we haven't been since July 4th. Pam -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:41 AM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: lunatic fringe Same general area but not exactly close by. From the Onondoga SP cache you would have to go 6.1 miles to the SW to get to lunatic, or 1.6 miles NW to get to the Blue Springs Creek cache. Glenn Gonna finish up what I started yesterday. Amedon, St Francis wet bambi and a lost valley mines. Then maybe st charles. -----Original Message----- From: Pam We walked to Lunatic Fringe from the visitors center. When we got to that hill you are referencing - I looked at Tim and said "We have to walk up that?" Right before we got to the trail I told him he was going to have to carry me up the rest of the way. Lucky for him we found the trail! Was the cache that Bruce and the group did on Sunday in the same vicinity as Lunatic Fringe? Pam -----Original Message----- From: Jim The campground was closed. They were doing construction in there. The K-Team and I did not see the trail and went all the way to the top of the steep hill. (Cory was running up most of the way!) Once we got to the top, we had to bushwack down a very steep hill to get back to the trail. The trail, other than the first 10 feet at the begining is in very good shape. Mean Gene and RGS were standing right at the begining of the trail and we were telling them it was there. At first they did not belive us. But we fianlly got them to walk into the weed patch and discover the trail was there. But heck, it was fun clmbing up that hill in 98 degree weather! -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Yea, I remember having to drive up that steep hill, what a pain. I parked at a small pull off area about halfway up the hill and ran directly over to the cache. That hill was something. I guess that road is closed now for campground renovations? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Budlvr40 GLN I did Lunatic Fringe a coupla weeks ago, in on the closed road, and started up the 'chat' road up the steep hill, and luckily saw the trail to the left marked by a small sign, sure glad I didn't have to climb that whole hill! budlvr40