Yea, I remember having to drive up that steep hill, what a pain. I parked at a small pull off area about halfway up the hill and ran directly over to the cache. That hill was something. I guess that road is closed now for campground renovations? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Budlvr40@xxxxxxx GLN I did Lunatic Fringe a coupla weeks ago, in on the closed road, and started up the 'chat' road up the steep hill, and luckily saw the trail to the left marked by a small sign, sure glad I didn't have to climb that whole hill! budlvr40