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It's not the same kind of danger as Carondelet !!!
Barramus
N 38° 25.081'
W 90° 42.823'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn" <GLNash@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: [GeoStL] dangerous caches
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> you will love Lunitic fringe, Hunters cave, Inspiration point, red bluff,
> greens cave II, and most of butch's other caches. :-)
>
> dont slip
>
> At 05:17 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >-
> >.pntball the most dangerous caches we have been to
> >so far is budder upper and titus hollow.
>
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>
> >--- Mike Griffin <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > -
> > > This sounds like a group cache.. hehehehe :-)
> > >
> > > I think you should log this if you actually saw the
> > > container. I have thought long and hard about this
> > > and most people are right. If a person is honest
> > > then they will stick to their ethics and a log
> > > should be in order. If a person is just out there to
> > > rack up numbers, then they will do that regardless.
> > >
> > > I would log it as a find. I would not go back. If no
> > > one responds to the location to move it and interest
> > > drops off, then perhaps it will be archived
> > > anyways..
> > >
> > > Cache on!
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > The Brawny Bear
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > From: Michael Chambers <michaelc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:11:04 -0600
> > >
> > > >-
> > > >Various members wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>I think it's up to the cache owner to say if you
> > > can log it. What cache was it?
> > > >>T.P.&M.
> > > >>
> > > >>if I don't sign the log I don't log it as a find.
> > > ....... If the cache is in a dangerous spot I do
> > > think the owner should be contacted.
> > > >>Elkie
> > > >>
> > > >>Logging the find is up to you .... sounds like you
> > > legitamately found it to me. Please let the owner
> > > know of the situation, he might want to remove it.
> > > I would want to know about it before going there.
> > > >>Georgie
> > > >>
> > > >>I'd like to know which cache it is so I can avoid
> > > going there. I'd say go ahead and log it just as
> > > you would do some of the other public caches like
> > > those in the zoo. It's definitly one I would not go
> > > to.
> > > >>Barramus
> > > >>
> > > >>IMHO, if you found it (and you did) you should log
> > > it. I'd rather have someone do what you did than to
> > > log it and show others where the cache is. If it is
> > > not a big deal to come back when you can sign it,
> > > you should. I see no problem with logging it if you
> > > actually spot the container.
> > > >>
> > > >>Jim Bensman
> > > >>
> > > >>........you could have people logging caches that
> > > they thought they saw when in actuality it was never
> > > near. There is no way to ever know if they truly
> > > found the cache. I think that that is part of the
> > > challenge. To remove this would jeopardize the
> > > integrity of the game. ......I feel that you could
> > > return with someone to finish the cache.
> > > >>Mike
> > > >>
> > > >>......you have asked a very good question that has
> > > concerned me. Recently there was a cache that I
> > > went to twice ( Jon's First Cache). I did not log it
> > > as a find, because I did not retrieve it and sign
> > > the log. I have also read posts that say they only
> > > found part 1 of a multi-cache, but chose to log it
> > > anyway, because they felt part 2 was missing?
> > > .......others have posted finds, but said they
> > > didn't have a pen to sign the log. I think each
> > > person has to set their own standards and live with
> > > it. I am only competing with myself.
> > > >>John R -
> > > >>
> > > >>The kind of people who would log a cache as you
> > > suggest will do it anyway and they would not ask a
> > > group for advice. I don't log caches I don't sign or
> > > find physically but if the situation arose where it
> > > was dangerous to log it as is suggested in the
> > > previous email and the cache had been seen just not
> > > removed and logged in I would say "Yes go ahead and
> > > log a find".
> > > >>Dan (Thunder)
> > > >>
> > > >>I have had to go back to several caches more than
> > > once to make it "right".
> > > >>gln
> > > >>
> > > >>I bet it is that stinking Party Cove cache. I
> > > just know it is.
> > > >>gln
> > > >>
> > > >>Ya can't "reply" while on digest mode.
> > > >>Barramus
> > > >>
> > > >Very excellent responses to my request for your
> > > advise. I thank you all
> > > >for your thoughts. I'll try to respond briefly.
> > > >I did immediately email the cache owner with a copy
> > > of my note to the
> > > >List, and with a complete detailed description of
> > > the exact cache
> > > >location, so he (or she) could confirm that I did
> > > indeed find it. I
> > > >also asked them to move it. And yes, I actually
> > > did see the cache
> > > >itself. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have posed the
> > > question with you all.
> > > > I too went back twice to Jon's First, and know
> > > that I found its hiding
> > > >place, but I couldn't reach it either, so I didn't
> > > log it - and I won't.
> > > > Integrity and a strong code of personal ethics are
> > > extremely important
> > > >to me. If the owner contacts me and agrees that I
> > > did find it, I'll
> > > >think about logging it. There's a good chance that
> > > I'll go back (mayby
> > > >early on a cold morning - with my brother with me)
> > > to make another
> > > >attempt to actually log it, but I'll feel much
> > > better about that if the
> > > >owner moves it to a safer location. At first, I
> > > had no intention of
> > > >naming the cache, but several people have asked
> > > which one it is - and
> > > >have expressed a concern to avoid it, so I have
> > > decided to let you all
> > > >know that it is indeed the Carondelet cache (Sorry
> > > Glen, it's not "that
> > > >stinking Party Cove cache".). Oh! And yes,
> > > Barramus, you can "reply"
> > > >while on digest mode. It just takes a lot of
> > > considerate editing to
> > > >eliminate all the repetive BS.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks again,
> > > >Leanman (Mike Chambers)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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