[GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

  • From: "tnsl" <sydstyr@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:19:13 -0600

"Ok - I am really done. I am headed out here in Boston and going to grab a few 
Guardrails and Light poles."

See if you can locate a cache or two while you're grabbing. And, watch out for 
those flying toads. I hear they're fierce.

Nancy






  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Griffin 
  To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:02 PM
  Subject: [GeoStL] Was Walmart Now Flying Toads


  I think we miss the point of the caches. It is not so some guy in a 
wheelchair can't play, it is asking permission which is the basis of any cache. 
It clearly states that permission MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR to placing any cache. 
If it is a hassle to get permission, we shouldn't place one with the Oh Well 
attitude. We should do the homework and make sure we obtain permission. 

  However, I totally agree that SLAGA is not the enforcing agency on caches. We 
are a social club and should not condemn or support any kind of hides. 
Everything is personal preference. I don't like light poles and guardrails, but 
I do them :-) I don't like McDonalds or Wal-Mart caches no matter how they are 
placed, but I do them! :-) 

  However, I don't like the fact that I could go to Jail because someone was 
too lazy to ask permission before placing a cache. I recently, as did 
HappyKraut, replaced all my permission forms for all caches at Busch and Weldon 
Spring. During that process, it became very clear that all the properties John 
Vogel manages do not have legal caches on them. He knows this and has let us 
slide. How long before he decides enough is enough and prohibits caching on all 
his managed lands. Permits are helpful in the fact that it is a 2 way 
agreement. I would feel much better doing a cache on private property where the 
owner has placed on the cache page his permission from statement.

  I will do caches that I don't necessary like because I too am a numbers 
hound. I am NOT afraid to say I love numbers. Although I haven't logged several 
of the caches I have done in the past 6 months, I like to watch my numbers.

  Ok, Last topic since this is about Geocaching and not food. Larry and myself 
were talking about how the numbers have killed the muticaches and puzzles. I 
use to make a puzzle cache run for 1 or 2 caches. Now, unless I go alone, no 
one wants to do 1 or 2. Everyone wants to do 60 or 100 or 500 in a weekend. 
Only if someone has solved a puzzle down to the final will someone do a 
difficult puzzle. 

  Case and Point was the Mummy Cache. In 2 years, I had 32 finds. Here is what 
is amazing - From Sept - Dec in 2005 I had 20 finders, in all of 2006 I had 6 
finders and in 2007 until archived late October, I had 6 finders.

  With the number of new cachers out there, most are getting their training 
from the old timers that are teaching them it is all about numbers. Stats, 
Light poles and Guardrails are the result of numbers. Remember, I said I was a 
numbers hound, no hypocrisy, just observations.

  Ok - I am really done. I am headed out here in Boston and going to grab a few 
Guardrails and Light poles.
  Mike Griffin 




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