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I have grabbed some LPCs when I drive down to get or return my son to
the Gulf Coast. It is an 11 hour boring drive. A LPC is a wonderful
break for keeping from drowsing behind the wheel since the drowsiness
is more from boring repetition than fatigue. They don't take away too
much time from the trip, and with a trip that long already, there isn't
a lot of cushion left before the total time gets impractical. The bad
ones for me in that scenario are the ones the take any time, or I
cannot find quickly so I can move on. If I was home, I wouldn't think
too much of them, but the are perfect for stops along a long trip. Mike (Miha Ivan) fascist-cows_dreaming@xxxxxxx wrote: **************************************** For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw- sweet ) ------ Original Message ------ Received: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:12:06 AM EST From: Dan Henke <thunder_monk@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads I agree totally ...there is room in this sport (obsession) for all kinds of caches. If you have a thing about lamppost caches, guard rail caches or any other kind of cache ...YOU DON"T HAVE TO DO IT!!!!....There are no caching police out there twisting your arm to make you do any cache. One of the truly great things about caching is that there is literally something for EVERYONE. I personally will do any cache that comes my way and I enjoy them all. I enjoy some caches MORE than other caches but I do any and all of them. This includes lamp post, guard rail and yes even playground caches. I personally enjoy a good multi or puzzle cache but due to the fact I live so far away from most of them it is hard to drive 90 miles to complete a single cache or even 2 or 3 but I have done it as well. It is MY choice of how I want to spend my time and I say if you don't like a type of cache then don't do it but give the rest of us a chance to decide for ourselves. That is why we no longer have virtual or locationless caches because someone decided that they weren't good for OUR sport and got rid of them and now NONE of us get to decide if they are worth doing or not. There were some fantastic caches in both categories but now there are no new ones to judge. All I can say is be careful what you wish for you might get it and then there is no turning back. (Dan now jumps off his soapbox and goes back to reality) Just my 2 cents worth Dan (Thunder_Monk) thejones crew <shitsngrins@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } While I would hate to face one lightpost cache after another, I will say that I do enjoy finding some of these. We all enjoy finding these 'secret' stashes all over the place. As a family we have enjoyed finding some right inthe middle of where hundreds of people pace every day. To think that we are a part of this big secret makes it even more fun. While driving home from Florida it was nice to make a quick pit stop and be able to grab a cache in another state without too much hassle. Maybe that one very easy cache will inspire somebody else to join the game and along with it start some other more interesting caches. My dad has lots of difficulty walking even short distances, but he has enjoyed hearing our stories of caching. He has enjoyed pulling up to a cache with us and being able to get a taste of the fun. I know if I broke my leg and couldn't get out in the woods I would be thrilled to have some lightposts to visit. My point is...let ye without a 1:1 in your finds cast the first stone, otherwise---let those that want to do the lightposts do them. If ya don't like them then pass them up. Arlene (JonesCrew) --------------------------------- From: dcrep_gc@xxxxxxxxxxx To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:38:45 -0600 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} I just wanted to echo Stephen's comment. As one of the finders of the Mummy in 2007 (Stephen was another), I'd happily walk right by a lamp-post to get an interesting cache such as that one. Not all new cachers are interested in numbers... some quite the opposite. -Dan (dcrep)Well said Mike. I am not into the numbers at all. I love puzzles like Mummyand tricky caches like Need Gas. I relish a 2 or even one cache day if I had to sweat or think to get it. It is all about what the individual is into. Keep making your caches like you do, 32 finds is an indication of a cache that requires some work. Kudos you!Stephen On Tuesday, January 08, 2008, at 03:03PM, "Michael Griffin"<mike.griffin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I think we miss the point of the caches. It is not so some guy in a wheelchair can't play, it is asking permission which is the basis of any cache. It clearly states that permission MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR to placing any cache. If it is a hassle to get permission, we shouldn't place one with the Oh Well attitude. We should do the homework and make sure we obtain permission. However, I totally agree that SLAGA is not the enforcing agency on caches. We are a social club and should not condemn or support any kind of hides. Everything is personal preference. I don't like light poles and guardrails, but I do them :-) I don't like McDonalds or Wal-Mart caches no matter how they are placed, but I do them! :-) However, I don't like the fact that I could go to Jail because someone was too lazy to ask permission before placing a cache. I recently, as did HappyKraut, replaced all my permission forms for all caches at Busch and Weldon Spring. During that process, it became very clear that all the properties John Vogel manages do not have legal caches on them. He knows this and has let us slide. How long before he decides enough is enough and prohibits caching on all his managed lands. Permits are helpful in the fact that it is a 2 way agreement. I would feel much better doing a cache on private property where the owner has placed on the cache page his permission from statement. I will do caches that I don't necessary like because I too am a numbers hound. I am NOT afraid to say I love numbers. Although I haven't logged several of the caches I have done in the past 6 months, I like to watch my numbers. Ok, Last topic since this is about Geocaching and not food. Larry and myself were talking about how the numbers have killed the muticaches and puzzles. I use to make a puzzle cache run for 1 or 2 caches. Now, unless I go alone, no one wants to do 1 or 2. Everyone wants to do 60 or 100 or 500 in a weekend. Only if someone has solved a puzzle down to the final will someone do a difficult puzzle. Case and Point was the Mummy Cache. In 2 years, I had 32 finds. Here is what is amazing - From Sept - Dec in 2005 I had 20 finders, in all of 2006 I had 6 finders and in 2007 until archived late October, I had 6 finders. With the number of new cachers out there, most are getting their training from the old timers that are teaching them it is all about numbers. Stats, Light poles and Guardrails are the result of numbers. Remember, I said I was a numbers hound, no hypocrisy, just observations. Ok - I am really done. I am headed out here in Boston and going to grab a few Guardrails and Light poles. Mike Griffin ________________________________ From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JimSGreene@xxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:11 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Walmart light pole In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:28:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I think a good service SLAGA could provide is to have people who can tactfully contact cache placers who place problematic caches. They could work with them to fix the problem. I suspect that would be better than some of us less tactful people pointing out the problem in a cache log. Jim, I disagree with this statement, any problematic caches should be reported to the local approver for them to handle. They are paid big money to handle that sort of thing. As far as lamp post or easy caches, they serve a purpose too, they are great for those with mobility issues, and people looking for some quick finds. If placed according to guidelines, I don't have a problem with them. They can be ok, and sometimes they can be a nice surprise when a new trick shows up. Let's not get into any sort of condemnation of anything, this sport has lots of room for all types of hides, enjoy the game. Strider ________________________________ Start the year off right. 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