[GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

  • From: "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:42:33 -0600

Archived due to lack of interest. Every puzzle I have put out gets found by the 
puzzle enthusiasts then they taper off to few finds per year. I usually wait a 
year and archive them. More to be placed over the next few months.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cindy Spurr 
  To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:25 PM
  Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads


  Mummy Cache?
   
  Cindy J. Spurr
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  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Dan C <dcrep_gc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:38:45 PM
  Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Was Walmart Now Flying Toads

  I just wanted to echo Stephen's comment.  As one of the finders of the Mummy 
in 2007 (Stephen was another), I'd happily walk right by a lamp-post to get an 
interesting cache such as that one.  Not all new cachers are interested in 
numbers... some quite the opposite.

  -Dan (dcrep)

  > 
  > Well said Mike. I am not into the numbers at all. I love puzzles like Mummy 
and tricky caches like Need Gas. I relish a 2 or even one cache day if I had to 
sweat or think to get it. It is all about what the individual is into. Keep 
making your caches like you do, 32 finds is an indication of a cache that 
requires some work. Kudos you!
  > 
  > Stephen
  > 
  > On Tuesday, January 08, 2008, at 03:03PM, "Michael Griffin" 
<mike.griffin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  > >I think we miss the point of the caches. It is not so some guy in a
  > >wheelchair can't play, it is asking permission which is the basis of any
  > >cache. It clearly states that permission MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR to
  > >placing any cache. If it is a hassle to get permission, we shouldn't
  > >place one with the Oh Well attitude. We should do the homework and make
  > >sure we obtain permission. 
  > > 
  > >However, I totally agree that SLAGA is not the enforcing agency on
  > >caches. We are a social club and should not condemn or support any kind
  > >of hides. Everything is personal preference. I don't like light poles
  > >and guardrails, but I do them :-) I don't like McDonalds or Wal-Mart
  > >caches no matter how they are placed, but I do them! :-) 
  > > 
  > >However, I don't like the fact that I could go to Jail because someone
  > >was too lazy to ask permission before placing a cache. I recently, as
  > >did HappyKraut, replaced all my permission forms for all caches at Busch
  > >and Weldon Spring. During that process, it became very clear that all
  > >the properties John Vogel manages do not have legal caches on them. He
  > >knows this and has let us slide. How long before he decides enough is
  > >enough and prohibits caching on all his managed lands. Permits are
  > >helpful in the fact that it is a 2 way agreement. I would feel much
  > >better doing a cache on private property where the owner has placed on
  > >the cache page his permission from statement.
  > > 
  > >I will do caches that I don't necessary like because I too am a numbers
  > >hound. I am NOT afraid to say I love numbers. Although I haven't logged
  > >several of the caches I have done in the past 6 months, I like to watch
  > >my numbers.
  > > 
  > >Ok, Last topic since this is about Geocaching and not food. Larry and
  > >myself were talking about how the numbers have killed the muticaches and
  > >puzzles. I use to make a puzzle cache run for 1 or 2 caches. Now, unless
  > >I go alone, no one wants to do 1 or 2. Everyone wants to do 60 or 100 or
  > >500 in a weekend. Only if someone has solved a puzzle down to the final
  > >will someone do a difficult puzzle. 
  > > 
  > >Case and Point was the Mummy Cache. In 2 years, I had 32 finds. Here is
  > >what is amazing - From Sept - Dec in 2005 I had 20 finders, in all of
  > >2006 I had 6 finders and in 2007 until archived late October, I had 6
  > >finders.
  > > 
  > >With the number of new cachers out there, most are getting their
  > >training from the old timers that are teaching them it is all about
  > >numbers. Stats, Light poles and Guardrails are the result of numbers.
  > >Remember, I said I was a numbers hound, no hypocrisy, just observations.
  > > 
  > >Ok - I am really done. I am headed out here in Boston and going to grab
  > >a few Guardrails and Light poles.
  > >
  > >Mike Griffin 
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >________________________________
  > >
  > >From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > >[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JimSGreene@xxxxxxx
  > >Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:11 PM
  > >To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > >Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Walmart light pole
  > >
  > >
  > >In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:28:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
  > >junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
  > >
  > > I think a good service SLAGA could provide is to have people who
  > >can
  > > tactfully contact cache placers who place problematic caches.
  > >They could
  > > work with them to fix the problem. I suspect that would be
  > >better than some
  > > of us less tactful people pointing out the problem in a cache
  > >log.
  > > 
  > >
  > >Jim,
  > > I disagree with this statement, any problematic caches should be
  > >reported to the local approver for them to handle. They are paid big
  > >money to handle that sort of thing. 
  > > As far as lamp post or easy caches, they serve a purpose too, they are
  > >great for those with mobility issues, and people looking for some quick
  > >finds. If placed according to guidelines, I don't have a problem with
  > >them. They can be ok, and sometimes they can be a nice surprise when a
  > >new trick shows up.
  > > Let's not get into any sort of condemnation of anything, this sport has
  > >lots of room for all types of hides, enjoy the game.
  > > 
  > >Strider
  > >
  > >
  > >
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  > >
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