[GeoStL] Re: The Insurance Problem: Heads Up Everybody
- From: "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:06:23 -0500
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That lawsuit is totally irrevealant to geocaching. I could sue because my
car got scratched in the parking lot because the lines were not far enough
apart. I could sue no matter the activity. All I have to do is get a greedy
lawyer and file. If they are so worried about their liability, they need to
be out of the park business!!!
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: The Insurance Problem: Heads Up Everybody
> -
> FWIW, I agree that all this liability stuff is dumb, but unfortunately, we
> may be stuck with it. Geocaching is such a loosely organized thing that
> it's hard to get a handle on who can be sued over what. I think the
newness
> of our game and the unique nature of an internet based game is working
> against us.
>
> As I briefly mentioned, when we were involved in youth baseball, we were
> sued by a very nutty person over a ridiculous, fabricated claim that was
> eventually thrown out of court. But the baseball organization and the
city
> spent thousands and thousands of dollars to get through it. And this
nutty
> person was completely ready to sue the officers of the organization if she
> felt she needed to.
>
> I know we had kind of dropped the idea of incorporating or whatever it
> takes to become legally official, but maybe we need to revisit the idea.
I
> don't like it either. I guess I'm just wondering if it's a necessary evil
> for our sport to survive.
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris Binder
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:01 PM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: The Insurance Problem: Heads Up Everybody
>
>
> -
> No kidding,
>
> As an owner of two geocaches in St. Peters City Parks and a maintainer of
> one, I think insurance liability shouldn't be a requirement. As we all
know,
> geocaching.com has a disclaimer describing the risks of geocaching. And if
> someone gets hurt in city parks as a result of geocaching, they read the
> waiver on the website, they knew what they were getting into. I think this
> is inherently stupid and a bogus move on the part of St. Peters Parks and
> Recreation.
>
> On a side note, Drei is correct. St. Peters residents are not required to
> pay for a shelter, much less sign a waiver for the use of the building.
This
> is also true for soccer, not to mention other activities residents do in
the
> parks. (Play Frisbee, use of playground equipment, etc...)
>
> ~Chris
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drei Michels" <Drei.Michels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: The Insurance Problem: Heads Up Everybody
>
>
> > -
> > Who has gotten permission to place the caches in the parks in St.
> > Peters? If so, I guess we need to get the names and say that we already
> > have permission and that they can't rule differently on that. But this
> > is the government and they can do anything they want. I don't think that
> > people playing soccer or having a picnic at the parks have to sign
> > waivers before they go into the park. This sounds stupid.
> >
> > Drei Michels
> > Systems Manager
> > RiverFront Times
> > 6358 Delmar Blvd. Suite 200
> > St. Louis, MO. 63130
> > drei.michels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > (314)-754-5903 Direct Line
> >
> >
> > >>> susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx 7/26/2004 11:28:23 AM >>>
> > -
> > I just got back from a meeting with two directors for St. Peters City
> > parks
> > and recreation, to introduce them to geocaching, etc, etc. They were
> > interested in the game and saw great potential for it as a family
> > friendly
> > activity BUT:
> > They want us to have our own liability insurance. They were quite
> > insistent
> > about this. Jeff, the recreation guy, said he is going to talk things
> > over
> > with the city manager regarding liability issues. He will contact me
> > after
> > this meeting but he told me to be ready to disable all caches in St.
> > Peters
> > parks until we get insurance. He was really nice and realized that
> > he's
> > playing the bad guy, but I don't think they're going to budge on this
> > issue.
> > In fairness to them, I know of at least one wacko lawsuit against St
> > Peters
> > city and the SPAA (baseball) that cost both institutions tens of
> > thousands
> > of dollars a few years ago.
> >
> > I'm posting this to the list because I don't know exactly who's been
> > involved in looking into insurance. Also, we probably need as many
> > bodies
> > and brains working on this as possible, I guess.
> >
> > Also, Rich: has this been brought up at the meeting you've had with
> > parks
> > people? I'd appreciate hearing about your experiences, although Jeff
> > already told me he doesn't care about what other cities have done, he's
> > only
> > worried about lawsuits in St. Peters. If you answer on the list, it
> > might
> > help other cachers who intend to contact city officials elsewhere.
> >
> > In case anybody's wondering , there are at least 18 caches in St.
> > Peters
> > city parks as of yesterday.
> >
> > Susan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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