- The situation with the NPS cannot get any worse than it is. So your point eludes me. What more can they do than just say it is not allowed anywhere and refuse to address the issue? How could there possibly be a worse relationship than this? IMHO, suing will make the situation better-it can only improve. My bet is if they get sued, they would settle and agree to comply with the law. One must remember, we are dealing with the Federal Government, not bees. I would rather not sue, so here is an opportunity to prove me wrong. Go ahead and show us how to get the NPS to allow caching with honey. No one else has been able to. As to concerns about other agencies, my experience has been it makes others think twice about doing the same thing. If people roll over when the government illegally bans geocaching, what stops other agencies from doing the same thing? It may be just a game, but our tax dollars pay for the upkeep of these areas and they are public lands. We have laws they are not abiding by. So there is more than just a game involved here. Its our freedom and our right to expect the government to obey the law. If agencies illegally banning geocaching on public lands for no rational reason is no big deal to you, then how about not caching on ANY public lands? Letting NPS get away with it, puts us on a slippery slope with other agencies. If you think very little good could come out of opening NPS land to geocaching, then what good is there to caching on any public land? Look at the Mark Twain National Forest and Wilderness. They were removing caches claiming it was not allowed in Wilderness. Others tried to get the Forest Service to allow it. But they all failed. I got them to allow it. Why? Because I have sued them many times. The government listens to you much closer when they know you are a credible threat to sue. Unfortunately, this is a reality of government bureaucracy. But, go ahead and get the NPS to allow geocaching with honey. There is nothing I would love better than you proving me wrong. > -----Original Message----- > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Barbara Hunt > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:55 AM > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Suing the government > > > - > I'm with Jen. There's very little good that will come of a > lawsuit. In fact, other agencies and parks departments may > see that and decide that the GAME is not as much trouble > as it's worth, and we'll be kicked out of more places! > > Echoing Jen, "Besides, it's a GAME!" > > Barbara > > >Just because we have a right to sue, and just because > >they have no legal > >justification for denying us the use of their land, > >doesn't mean we SHOULD > >sue them. You know the old saying, you attract more bees > >with honey... > > > >Besides, its a GAME! > > ****************************************************************** > ********** > Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com > Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching > Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html > > ****************************************************************** > ********** > To unsubscribe from this list: > send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > **************************************************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html **************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list: send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field