- Mike, Maybe it wasn't my place to suggest that non-residents stay away from getting involved. And I should make it clear that it's just my opinion that StP has this "circle the wagons" mentality. I have lived here for 18 years and it sure looks that way to me. On the other hand, ANYONE who's willing to go to bat for geocaching should be applauded. Susan -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Griffin Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:43 AM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update - > > Susan, it was decided that to allow geocaching on city property we will need > > a Certificate of Insurance and issue a permit to the organization or user. > > With this information, I would recommend that you remove the caches on St. > > Peters property. I look forward to discussing this activity with you again > > when the insurance requirements can be met. > This is just a way of saying, no thanks! They know we will never come up with insurance. To expect us to cover every cacher who may or may not be a member of SLAGA is ludicrous. If they get the cache info from Navicache, Geocaching.com or Whatever, they can look for this cache without any coverage from SLAGA. The guy is uneducated and thinks we own caching in Missouri. If someone comes in from Detroit and goes caching, we are suppose to cover them?? Say goodbye to St. Peters caches.. I don't think St. Peters has enough cachers to make a difference. You can write your Alderman or whatever, but 7 or so households will not make even a dent in the interest level of anyone. Good luck, but if we don't all, residents and non residents, get involved in this, caching in St. Peters parks will be a thing of the past! Mike > Still, the main point to me is that I pay taxes and my hobby is far safer > than a lot of what goes on in the parks, but we're being singled out because > geocaching is new and takes some effort to understand. Taxes would be the wrong approach. It makes it sound like people have a right to do whatever they want in the parks because they are tax payers. Again, I just don't think they want caching in their precious parks. So Be It! If someone knows someone who can help this cause, then great, otherwise, cache on! > > This might sound bad, but I would also discourage anyone who is not a SP > resident from contacting the city. SP gets pretty darn defensive against > "outsiders" and it just wouldn't be helpful at this point. > Maybe this is why I don't live there. I met with St. Peters parks on some scouting issues once and walked away feeling like a foreigner. We wanted to use some of their parks for an event and they wouldn't allow it. They were asked if we could use the rec plex for Scout activities, mainly swimming and lifesaving, and they refused. This was after we proposed several upgrades to their parks with Eagle scout projects. This was a while back but the scout leaders who lived there we really turned off by their responses. I don't know why I would expect anything different. > Anyway, guys, I've done about all I can do for now. I forget who I've told, > but I'm taking a class this fall for the first time in 20 years. It's a > very demanding class and also very important to the future of my career. So > my meeting with any alderman is going to have to wait for quite a while. If > anyone wants to pick up the crusade and run with it, that would be > wonderful, but I just don't have the mental energy or time to deal with it > now. Thanks for trying Susan! All we can do is try! Mike **************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html **************************************** To unsubscribe from this list: send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field **************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html **************************************** To unsubscribe from this list: send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field