- I totally agree with ya... I just had a bad experience with Scouts and St. Peters. I can't imagine doing any better with Geocaching. As for Chris' comment earlier. Good Luck! I wish you all the best in dealing with St.P. Perhaps they will listen to a few.. But, I don't think outsiders, as Susan said, will make the difference. It will have to come from residents. Mike ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update > - > Mike, > > Maybe it wasn't my place to suggest that non-residents stay away from > getting involved. And I should make it clear that it's just my opinion that > StP has this "circle the wagons" mentality. I have lived here for 18 years > and it sure looks that way to me. On the other hand, ANYONE who's willing > to go to bat for geocaching should be applauded. > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Griffin > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:43 AM > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update > > > - > > > > Susan, it was decided that to allow geocaching on city property we will > need > > > > a Certificate of Insurance and issue a permit to the organization or user. > > > > With this information, I would recommend that you remove the caches on St. > > > > Peters property. I look forward to discussing this activity with you again > > > > when the insurance requirements can be met. > > > > This is just a way of saying, no thanks! They know we will never come up > with insurance. To expect us to cover every cacher who may or may not be a > member of SLAGA is ludicrous. If they get the cache info from Navicache, > Geocaching.com or Whatever, they can look for this cache without any > coverage from SLAGA. The guy is uneducated and thinks we own caching in > Missouri. If someone comes in from Detroit and goes caching, we are suppose > to cover them?? Say goodbye to St. Peters caches.. I don't think St. Peters > has enough cachers to make a difference. You can write your Alderman or > whatever, but 7 or so households will not make even a dent in the interest > level of anyone. > > Good luck, but if we don't all, residents and non residents, get involved in > this, caching in St. Peters parks will be a thing of the past! > > Mike > > > > Still, the main point to me is that I pay taxes and my hobby is far safer > > than a lot of what goes on in the parks, but we're being singled out > because > > geocaching is new and takes some effort to understand. > > Taxes would be the wrong approach. It makes it sound like people have a > right to do whatever they want in the parks because they are tax payers. > Again, I just don't think they want caching in their precious parks. So Be > It! If someone knows someone who can help this cause, then great, otherwise, > cache on! > > > > > This might sound bad, but I would also discourage anyone who is not a SP > > resident from contacting the city. SP gets pretty darn defensive against > > "outsiders" and it just wouldn't be helpful at this point. > > > > Maybe this is why I don't live there. I met with St. Peters parks on some > scouting issues once and walked away feeling like a foreigner. We wanted to > use some of their parks for an event and they wouldn't allow it. They were > asked if we could use the rec plex for Scout activities, mainly swimming and > lifesaving, and they refused. This was after we proposed several upgrades to > their parks with Eagle scout projects. This was a while back but the scout > leaders who lived there we really turned off by their responses. I don't > know why I would expect anything different. > > > > Anyway, guys, I've done about all I can do for now. I forget who I've > told, > > but I'm taking a class this fall for the first time in 20 years. It's a > > very demanding class and also very important to the future of my career. > So > > my meeting with any alderman is going to have to wait for quite a while. > If > > anyone wants to pick up the crusade and run with it, that would be > > wonderful, but I just don't have the mental energy or time to deal with > it > > now. > > Thanks for trying Susan! All we can do is try! > > Mike > > > **************************************** > Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com > Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching > Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html > **************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list: > send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the > Subject field > > > > > > **************************************** > Our WebPage! 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