[GeoStL] Re: St. Louis County Park Closures

  • From: "Mike Griffin" <brawnybear@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:29:01 -0500

Started a facebook group, "Friends of St. Louis County Parks" Let's try and
get the numbers up and organize our thoughts.. We can reach out to other
groups as well and really focus on strategy to deliver to the County.
Fundraising and park entrance fees would be a good start but we would need a
lot of support.


Please join us!


Mike Griffin

Brawny Bear

St. Charles, MO


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[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Ring
Sent: November 02, 2011 10:11 AM
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Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St. Louis County Park Closures


Thanks for the youtube link, Mike.  I need to check out this show :-)


Anyway, my opinions about the why of the situation aren't productive.  I
just hope that plenty of St Louis County folks will speak up. 


A "Friends of the Parks" group is a great idea, even if they find a way to
keep more parks open.  Maybe it could start with a coalition of all the
various groups that use the parks heavily:  geocachers, StL Kayaking group,
trailrunners, boaters (George Winter park), swimmers (a couple of pools are
closing, too) etc.  The "Friends" concept works well for the Zoo, Botanical
Garden, St Charles Library District and many more public institutions.
Leads to cool fundraising events, too :-)




On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:55 AM, mike griffin wrote:

Susan, on Fox last night they had Charlie explaining that they needed to cut
operating costs and the best way to do that with the least impact was the
park system. Of course Walter Crawford was on too giving his point of view
about how important the parks are to not only the people who attend but the
wildlife as well. The operating costs of 1 park is very high. They are
considering cutting jobs along with park closings. However, if we can offset
operating costs of the parks, not all but just the ones that are more
popular, maybe that would keep a few on the list alive. Just thinking out
load here..

I know they can look deeper at other ways to cut, but logically, if they can
save jobs by closing parks, I don't think there's an argument. At a point
like this, you have to ask, "What would Ron Swanson do?"



On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Susan Ring <susanmring@xxxxxxx> wrote:

At our new park (Lakeside 370) they just started charging a small fee (for
nonresidents) for fishing or putting in a boat, with the money going toward
park maintenance.  I asked the folks at the ranger station how it was going
and they said great.  So apparently folks don't seem to mind the small fee
for selected park services.


About the park closings....

I'm not sure that the intention is actually to find the money to keep the
parks open.  I don't live in St. Louis County so I don't have a say, but
those of you who do and who care about these parks  might want to take a
look at this article.




I'm trying super hard not to touch on any kind of politics here on the list,
but it's curious to me that the only items in the whole budget he could find
to cut are parks and snow removal.


I can only speak for myself, but if I lived in the County I would be giving
the appropriate folks in government an earful real quick.






On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Maggie Madonia wrote:

I am not sure why they just don't consider charging a nominal fee especially
for Lone Elk and George Winter.  Who wouldn't pay .50 to go to Lone Elk or
launch a jet ski at George Winter.   (or to fish at Suson Park, maybe a
yearly pass for a few bucks) I would versus losing these parks.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:05 AM, Dan Baldenweck <harp8n@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

St. Louis County is proposing closing some parks because of a budgetary
shortfall.  The list includes some of the biggies:  West Tyson,
Greensfelder, Lone Elk, Simpson...and many more.  


Here's a map:







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