Glenn, I follow and agree with everything you are saying, BUT the theme of my cache is "Magic Number". If anyone reveals that number, I guarantee you it will be deleted in a heartbeat. Thanks Bernie - OK, but the " Warning. Spoilers may be included in the descriptions or links." Is part of the standard cache page. I think the fact that you say NOT to mention spoilers is good. Now, one mans random cache note may be another's spoiler. It is hard to control every thing that folks put in a log and it is hard to determine just what is or isnt a spoiler before hand. For example; a.. "I parked at xxx.xxx and walked next to the creek and walked to the big tree and found the cache under a pile of rocks" sounds like a good clue but maybe there was no creek, tree or rocks. Ya just cant tell. OR b.. "I parked next to it and walked right at it" might mean its an easy 5 minute cache or "I really parked next to the trail head and walked directly to it via the 5 mile trail". c.. How about something like "I have walked on this trail before, sure looks familiar". I have walked on a lot of trails before and everything looks familiar I don't know that it gives anything away to tell you that I found it to be familiar. That may mean absolutely nothing to you, unless you were with me before. You as a cache placer would know what is correct but a cacher new to the cache never knows what is real or bogus. Now, a larger issue and tougher question after that is, "Do I delete a cachers log because *I*, as cache owner, think there is a spoiler in the log?" The answer is, "It depends..." a.. Is the passage *really* a spoiler to someone that dosn't know the area? b.. How much friction do you want to cause in the community? c.. Have you tried to have the poster edit out the questionable part first? I can tell 'ya that if you delete my log, I will not be a happy hiker. If you delete enough of several peoples logs, you may not be a happy cacher either. If however, you contact me and let me know that I have inadvertently given away some vital national security information, I would be a little more willing to edit out the leaky parts. hope this answers more questions than it raises. glenn At 12:47 PM 3/13/2003 -0600, Bernie wrote: - Glenn, I have a question about spoilers. When I wrote up my cache I said no spoilers allowed, but when you read the logs, at the top it says "spoilers may be included". That is not what I wanted. Thanks Bernie **************************************************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching **************************************************************************** ---------------- Glenn The SLAGA Mail, Membership & GC.com admin guy **************************************************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=ocaching ****************************************************************************