[GeoSTL] Re: SLAGA vs. GeoStl.com
- From: GC-RGS <gc-rgs@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:07:31 -0500
> I have found if something bothers me I just go
> find a box hidden in the woods and everything seems fine afterwards.
Bruce,
Shouldn't that now be changed to "I just go HIDE a box in the woods"?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce S" <bruces1321@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: SLAGA vs. GeoStl.com
> I think Paul has hit it correctly though I am with Dave in that I don't
> personally use SLAGA much. I don't like acronyms no matter what they are
> but that comes from my days in the Army where everything is an acronym. I
> do refer to St Louis Geocachers and I say look at geostl.com to find out
> more. It is important to be sensitive to decision made in the past as we
> move forward to the future. I have found if something bothers me I just
go
> find a box hidden in the woods and everything seems fine afterwards.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> >From: Paul Konopacki <konopapw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: SLAGA vs. GeoStl.com
> >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:37:44 -0500
> >
> > > If a stranger sees it, they will have no idea what it stands for.
> >What are we trying to accomplish? I think we want to be
> >a resource for people who are interested in geocaching. I don't
> >think we are trying to make the world notice us.
> >
> >But if someone sees SLAGA on a hat and they
> >want to know what it is, then they ask. Isn't
> >that better than just another 'something.com'
> >that is overused today and doesn't invoke
> >any curiosity due to overexposure?
> >
> >In my mind, seeing SLAGA would invoke
> >some curiosity and I might ask the person
> >wearing or showing that name what it stood
> >for. For me, 'www.geostl.com' just by itself
> >gets lost in the .com clutter.
> >
> >One you explain what SLAGA is in a personal,
> >customized manner, you pull out your SLAGA
> >business card that happens to have www.geostl.com
> >listed on it.
> >
> >You seem to have the assumption that we're
> >not advertising www.geostl.com enough.
> >I completely disagree. Our site has been
> >submitted to search engines, referenced in
> >cache pages and emails, printed on business
> >cards, etc.
> >
> >Word of mouth is also getting us noticed.
> >The web site statistics show a dramatic
> >increase in traffic to the site every month
> >and that's based on our current method
> >of publicity. I think our recognition is
> >growing at a fine pace.
> >
> >I'm not adverse to using SLAGA and
> >www.geostl.com in the same sentence.
> >I do it all over the place without much
> >mental turmoil. But I have a problem
> >giving up one for the other at this stage
> >of the group's development.
> >
> >What we should be concentrating on
> >more than bickering over names, is
> >what is the group going to become?
> >Are we at a stage where we have to
> >become more formal? How do we
> >make decisions as a group of 56
> >members? Can we do what we want
> >with the group on a donation basis?
> >
> >Those are REAL issues.
> >
> > > Can't SLAGA be removed from the web pages
> > > text only. Why do the filenames, databases, etc
> > > need to be changed? If we don't see them, who cares?
> >
> >I don't live by the 'out-of-sight, out-of-mind' philosophy.
> >It only leads to trouble. Who cares? I care. I've seen
> >this type of 'name change' happen many times in my 20
> >years in the computer field. I've seen the mess it makes
> >to the maintenance of a program when it is only partially
> >implemented, or when the external changes, but the
> >internal doesn't. I don't want to voluntarily maintain a
> >web site under those conditions.
> >
> > > Perhaps we should do a survey of all the members to see where we
stand.
> > > 1. Should we keep the acronym SLAGA or not.
> > > 2. Should we promote the St. Louis Area Geocachers Assocation with
SLAGA
> >or
> > > GeoStl.com.
> >
> >3. Keep and use both SLAGA and www.geostl.com in their appropriate
> >context.
> >
> >
> >Dave D wrote:
> >
> > > My whole point of this thread is that I would like people that are not
> > > familiar with the St. Louis Area Geocachers to be able to find us and
> >know
> > > who we are by putting GeoStl.com on our website, email, hats,
t-shirts,
> > > bumper stickers or whatever. I don't think using SLAGA is going to
> > > accomplish this.
> > >
> > > >Your main argument when starting this thread was:
> > > >'SLAGA just isn't that attractive - it sounds like a coal
by-product.'
> > > >
> > > >That's all we had to base your argument on, but now it's even
> > > >weaker because it's 'just because you don't like it'.
> > >
> > > OK - I don't like it for multiple reasons.
> > > Its not a very good sounding acronym to me. A few other caches have
> > > indicated this as well.
> > > It sounds like it has something to do with coal.
> > > It sounds like it has something to do with agricultural.
> > > It means absolutely nothing to anyone who is not part of the St. Louis
> >Area
> > > Geocachers.
> > > If a stranger sees it, they will have no idea what it stands for.
> > > If we ever get a bumper sticker or t-shirts made, are we going to put
> >SLAGA
> > > on it - or GeoStl.com.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever short name we choose for the St. Louis Area
> > > Geocachers Association - I think it will be a mistake to put SLAGA out
> > > instead of GeoStl.com.
> > >
> > > Between ourselves, referring to the group as SLAGA is fine with me,
> >since
> > > its a lot easier to type out or say then St. Louis Area Geocachers
> > > Associaiton. But to put the SLAGA name out to the public instead of
> > > geostl.com, I think is a mistake.
> > >
> > > > > I don't thing we are changing our name.
> > > > > We are still the St. Louis Area Geocachers Association.
> > > > > We would just not be using SLAGA.
> > > >
> > > >That's even worse. Then we would have two names that
> > > >aren't related.
> > >
> > > No, we would only have one, because we wouldn't be using SLAGA
anymore.
> > >
> > > >That's not the definition of '.com'. '.com' is for companies.
> > > >Organizations
> > > >are '.org'. In term of domain names, it would be been more
appropriate
> > > >for us to be '.net'. But that's beside the point. '.com' is part of
a
> > > >domain
> > > >name. We are a geocaching group, not an internet web site.
> > >
> > > You certainly know more than I do regarding domain name extension
> > > definitions, however I chose .com for the ease of people finding the
web
> > > site.
> > >
> > > If someone only knows GeoStl and not the extension, they can enter
that
> >into
> > > a browser and it will add www and com to the name. Had I chosen
.net -
> >some
> > > other company or organization could grab up .com causing some people
to
> >be
> > > directed to the wrong web site.
> > >
> > > I also chose .com because it is the most popular extension out there.
> > >
> > > The .com definition may mean companies - but it sure isn't the rule.
> >There
> > > are millions of .coms that are not companies.
> > >
> > > If we can afford it, perhaps we should get .net and .org too.
> > >
> > > >We are a geocaching group, not an internet web site.
> > >
> > > Yep we are a geocaching group, not a web site, and not a SLAGA. We
are
> > > group of geocachers that has its own website and I think that is what
we
> > > should promote instead of SLAGA, which means nothing to others.
> > >
> > > You (Paul) have obviously put an ENORMOUS time and effort into our
> >website
> > > (which I think is the best one out there) and I would like to promote
it
> >for
> > > the benefit of all of us.
> > >
> > > >I am very aware of the changes that would be needed. (And they
aren't
> > > >just on the main web page as you seem to think). I don't expect
> > > >anyone who hasn't been deeply involved with the development of the
> > > >web site to know the full extent of the changes (or ever have to deal
> > > >with them). However, what you just proposed above is to 'remove'
> > > >our group's identity from our main web pages - all because you just
> >don't
> > > >like the name SLAGA!
> > >
> > > Your absolutely right - I have no idea what it will take to make the
> >changes
> > > you are referring to. However, why would we need to make all those
> >changes.
> > >
> > > Can't SLAGA be removed from the web pages text only. Why do the
> >filenames,
> > > databases, etc need to be changed? If we don't see them, who cares?
> > >
> > > > > As I recall when this was brought up a couple months ago - most
> >people
> > > >did
> > > > > agree that we wanted to get away from SLAGA.
> > > >
> > > >I don't recall that anyone in the discussion said that SLAGA *had* to
> >go.
> > > >Only 4 or 5 members participated in the discussion. The discussion
was
> > > >not a serious one, so all alternatives that resulted were silly or
> > > >inappropriate.
> > > >The discussion died with no conclusion (just like it did with the
> >logo).
> > > >
> > > >This issue might be a 'pet peeve' of yours, but you don't seem to
> >realize
> > > >that
> > > >SLAGA has come to represent our group. I'd really hate to see us
lose
> >that
> > > >progress and momentum because you just don't like the name SLAGA
> > >
> > > Frankly, I don't give a darn how this comes out - but my limited
> >marketing
> > > skills tell me that we would be better off promoting GeoStl.com
instead
> >of
> > > SLAGA.
> > >
> > > Our goal is the same - we just need to decide how we are going to go
> >about
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should do a survey of all the members to see where we
stand.
> > >
> > > 1. Should we keep the acronym SLAGA or not.
> > >
> > > 2. Should we promote the St. Louis Area Geocachers Assocation with
SLAGA
> >or
> > > GeoStl.com.
> > >
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