Rich, the shelter and all sounds very nice, thank you for getting it. I'll be there kind of late because I have to work, but I did email Dave and offered to clean up or help with things that need to be done in the week preceeding. I know it's kind of early to plan post-picnic caching, but I still haven't done the ones in Creve Coeur Park. If anybody out there still wants to find them with me......:-) I just got off the phone with Charlie Trokey of the St. Louis County Parks. He has secured the corporate shelter in the upper part of Creve Coeur park for us. This is not available to the public but will be ideal for our picnic. The shelter is maybe 24 x 60 feet (guessing) 2 very large BBQ pits, electric, flush toilets, sand volleyball courts, and playground. I'll get a picnic event cache page started shortly. Rich