I may disagree with Nancy Feake and Paul Nazarenko's position, but I don't see them as the enemy. Nancy is asking for our help in arriving at a mutually agreeable solution. We need to take advantage of this opportunity to explain our position as geocachers. This is my opinion: * Geocaching enhances awareness of our environment. * Geocaching improves quality of life. * Geocachers try NOT to negatively impact the environment. Instead, they try to improve it (cache in; trash out) * Geocaching does not encourage massive influx of people into Wilderness areas; trampling endangered flora. (www.geocaching.com 'find' stats prove that). * Geocaching is NOT littering. It is a civilized, increasingly-organized activity to promote useage/appreciation - mostly on public land. Throwing trash on the ground should never be confused with placing a cache. * Existing Park Service and Conservation Area regulations were created before the birth of geocaching. Therefore, they need to be revised and cannot be blindly applied to geocaching. I was one of those who went hunting for the Bell Mountain cache, just before it's placer was told to remove it by Forester, Paul Nazarenko ( ... it violates the Wilderness regulation 05-04,#6-36CFR 261.57, prohibits storing personal property or supplies in all Wilderness areas on the Mark Twain National Forest ...) Would I have hiked the trail if there was not a cache there? No. (Therefore, I would never had enjoyed such as wonder part of nature and a spectacular view). Did I have a negative impact on the existing trail or environment during the hike? No more than any other hiker who WASN'T on the trail looking for a cache. (I think this is an important point) If the area of the Mark Twain National Forest where the cache was located is a Wilderness area, why are there trailheads and markers on the trail guiding hikers to it? I'm having a hard time understanding why the Bell Mountain cache placement (and others like it) got this type of attention from the Forest Service. Had they taken a more conservative approach, they wouldn't have generated such a negative response from hardcord geocachers. But it's too late to fix that. We move to move forward from here. Paul repost by gln ************************************************************* Our WebPage! //www.freelists.org/webpage/geocaching Mail List & Archive Info. //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=geocaching Environmental msg. of the day, "Save the spotted Cow" *************************************************************