- I'll have to see if I can find a place a hundred feet up for this one... Jason Collier 314-623-0263 On 9/18/2012 8:26 AM, R. Sheffold wrote:
OK Jason, time for another cache. Steve Bromley <steve.bromley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: It may be our land, but It still doesn't get past the rule stating that climbing is not allowed. That is new and was not there when the cache was placed. Geocaching cannot encourage people to break rules. That will be the death sentence for it. If we don't like a rule , we need to work to get it changed, not encourage people to break it. On Sep 18, 2012 7:50 AM, "Mike Griffin" <brawnybear@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:brawnybear@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: First off, it's NOT MDC land. It is our land managed by the MDC. Second, they have a rule that states no climbing. Archiving the cache will not stop people from climbing. When I was there, 90 percent of the people climbing, and a majority were kids, were not cachers. People will climb it because it is there. If the MDC was serious about it, they would rope it off with signs because anyone approaching from the river would not see any signs. I agree it is a CYA. I don't think they are interested in enforcing it. Mike Griffin Delivery Manager State Farm Account 314-308-0916 <tel:314-308-0916> Cell Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Edward Turner <n0wnv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:n0wnv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:yeah it is a regulation on MDC land, the regulation is there to protect you and MDC from a potential lawsuit from the family because of your stupidity. On 9/17/2012 11:22 PM, Wayne Lindberg wrote:This is my note on the cache page. I will cast a dissenting vote on this one. Leave it alone! Okay, it's not in compliance with MDC regulations (read that as the lawyer rule). Note- a regulation is not a law, it's usually a CYA. I used to work for the Gummint, I know this. This cache has been there since at least 2003. Surely, the boys and girls at MDC have noticed, oh ropes and such, during this time. Look at the cast of characters that have made the climb. It includes most of the SLAGA elite. It's a tall rock, it's meant to be climbed by us (well, maybe not me, but I would if I could), for cat's sake, kids make the climb. It's an oldie, but goodie. Cachers, go for it. The Department of Conservation works for you. I am a maverick and don’t agree with most laws, regulations, rules, and other such nonsense. As citizens and sovereigns, we can and should do most anything we want to do. As long as you’re not hurting someone else, do it. Of course, if you fall and break your neck, it’s your dime. Don’t expect me and everyone else to pay your way. Wayne *From:*geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Michael Rogers *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2012 9:56 PM *To:* SLAGA LIST *Subject:* [GeoStL] Needs archived? Two separate needs archived logs and nothing has been done? http://coord.info/GCCE0F You can't go after this cache legally, but it's still listed? I don't understand. Is there something behind the scenes for which I am unaware? -Michael--Sent from my HTC Android phone. Please excuse my typos.
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