[GeoStL] Re: Needs archived?

  • From: "Mike Griffin" <brawnybear@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:28:17 -0500

Not part of my point.. My point was archiving the cache does nothing to
prevent people from climbing the rock.. Two totally different things..
Everyone was acting like the only reason people were breaking the rules was
to find a cache.. My point was the MDC is not interested in enforcing the
rule. There is no signs from the river side. There are no signs on the rock.
It is just for people who are in the parking lot. It would be like me
putting up no trespassing signs only on one side of my property. Very
limiting.. They post No Hunting signs all over the place so no matter which
way you approach a restricted zone, you know there is NO HUNTING. However,
they have failed to do that with the Rock. That was my only point..





Brawny Bear


From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Bromley
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:05 AM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Needs archived?


It may be our land, but It still doesn't get past the rule stating that
climbing is not allowed. That is new and was not there when the cache was

Geocaching cannot  encourage people to break rules. That will be the death
sentence for it.  If we don't like a rule , we need to work to get it
changed, not encourage people to break it.

On Sep 18, 2012 7:50 AM, "Mike Griffin" <brawnybear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

First off, it's NOT MDC land. It is our land managed by the MDC. Second,
they have a rule that states no climbing. Archiving the cache will not stop
people from climbing. When I was there, 90 percent of the people climbing,
and a majority were kids, were not cachers. People will climb it because it
is there. If the MDC was serious about it, they would rope it off with signs
because anyone approaching from the river would not see any signs. I agree
it is a CYA. I don't think they are interested in enforcing it. 

Mike Griffin

Delivery Manager 

State Farm Account

314-308-0916 Cell


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On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Edward Turner <n0wnv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

yeah it is a regulation on MDC land, the regulation is there to protect you
and MDC from a potential lawsuit from the family because of your stupidity.

On 9/17/2012 11:22 PM, Wayne Lindberg wrote:

This is my note on the cache page.


I will cast a dissenting vote on this one. Leave it alone! Okay, it's not in
compliance with MDC regulations (read that as the lawyer rule). Note- a
regulation is not a law, it's usually a CYA. I used to work for the Gummint,
I know this. This cache has been there since at least 2003. Surely, the boys
and girls at MDC have noticed, oh ropes and such, during this time. Look at
the cast of characters that have made the climb. It includes most of the
SLAGA elite. It's a tall rock, it's meant to be climbed by us (well, maybe
not me, but I would if I could), for cat's sake, kids make the climb. It's
an oldie, but goodie. Cachers, go for it. The Department of Conservation
works for you.


I am a maverick and don't agree with most laws, regulations, rules, and
other such nonsense.  As citizens and sovereigns, we can and should do most
anything we want to do.  As long as you're not hurting someone else, do it.
Of course, if you fall and break your neck, it's your dime.  Don't expect me
and everyone else to pay your way.




From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Rogers
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Needs archived?


Two separate needs archived logs and nothing has been done?




You can't go after this cache legally, but it's still listed? I don't
understand. Is there something behind the scenes for which I am unaware?




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