- Jim Go see a psychiatrist. I am sure they will be able to help you. END OF DISCUSSION!! Dru -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Bensman Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:52 AM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR - Maybe we can all chip in and get this? - Believer, I (and others) have argued that the kind of posts you have been making should not be allowed (and it is my understanding they are not allowed) because this list is about having fun geocaching and we should not discuss things that get people upset and fighting. In my previous message I also pointed out that my message did not belong on this list either. Nor does this one. But if you and others are going to be allowed to start these disunions, I will continue to respond. Not allowing these kinds of divisive discussions is not censorship. Only allowing one side would be censorship. Murdering sick kids protesting the Navy poisoning them would be censorship. As to the merits of your supposedly "Christian" views (I was always taught God provided no exceptions to "Thou Shall Not Kill"): The first thing the Navy and Air Force did wrong was dump toxic waste in the first place. The second thing they did wrong was not clean it up when they left. The third thing they did wrong was not clean it up when it became obvious it was killing kids. One would think if we can spend billions to get rid of phantom Weapons of Mass Destruction, we can get rid of the Weapons of Mass Destruction that are actually killing kids in our old bases. If the military had acted in a moral fashion, kids would not be dying from the toxic waste, and Greenpeace and the kids would not have been protesting the Navy's immoral behavior, and the confrontation with the Navy ship would never have happened. As to the comment about the attack on the USS Cole that occurred AFTER the Navy threatened to shoot sick kids protesting the Navy's immoral behavior: Lets see the Navy allows terrorist to get close enough to blow up the USS Cole. But in this case, you have Greenpeace and kids dying from the toxic waste the Navy refuses to clean up protesting the Navy and the Navy cannot differentiate between dying kids and terrorists? If they were terrorist, would not they have done their deeds the first time they got by the ship? The Navy threatened to shoot sick and dying kids after the first group of sick kids buzzed the ship. Even "military intelligence" should have been able to figure out they were not terrorists. Since this occurred BEFORE the USS Cole and new security measures, this was obviously about the Navy trying to censor protest of kids they are murdering. It was not about the safety of the Navy ship. I cannot think of anything better for those kids than allowing them to buzz the Navy ship in a raft. They were sick and dying from the Navy's toxic waste. What better medicine than letting them buzz a symbol of the immoral Navy that is murdering them via toxic waste? I agree with, "In my book wherever Crizel is is the home of the brave, not the residence of those who would threaten sick kids in an inflatable." I would also point out the tactics you support (murdering sick kids protesting the Navy's immoral behavior) is what causes people to hate us so much and breeds terrorists. I had two uncles give their life in the fight to free the Philippines and other places. They did not give their life so the Navy could kill innocent kids with toxic waste. > -----Original Message----- > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Eric & Dayna East > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 8:02 PM > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: NGR - Maybe we can all chip in and get this? > > > Jim, > > The comments were made in fun & not as a slap in your face. > I don't understand why you always seem to get so up tight & try > to censor everyone else's > speech while all the while advancing your own agenda. I > personally am not offended by or > intimidated by your views, in fact, I welcome them & would never > try to have you censored. > > However, your insinuation that the military was somehow in the > wrong for threatening to > "shoot" at the zodiac is just ludicrous. The captain of the green > peace ship should know > better than try to get that close to a Navy ship, especially when > he had such a precious cargo > on board! In my opinion he acted very irresponsibly! In all > probability they meant they would > use fire hoses to "shoot" at the zodiac, but even if they meant > guns, so what! Have you ever > hear of the USS Cole?! > > I would like to correct you on something though. The green peace > ship in question was not the > Rainbow Warrior, it was the Sirius. > > God bless! > > Eric > > > **************************************************************************** Our WebPage! 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