[GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
- From: "Jim Bensman" <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:06:04 -0500
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Glenn, you are confusing National Forests with State Forests.
Nancy is with the US Forest Service which mangers the Mark Twain National
Forest. I guess somewhere on the Mark Twain NF would be a possibility. But
that is not the same as MO's State Forests.
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
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> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>
> -
> fourfeld@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > -
> > Are the state parks and state forests both administered by the same
> agency?
>
> No
> Missouri dept of natural recourses for State parks and we all know our
> contact there is Barbara Wilson barbara.wilson@xxxxxxxxxxx
> the Forest service for the forests.
>
> The person to contact for the Forests is Nancy Feakes
> nfeakes@xxxxxxxxxx Myotis knows here fairly well. :-)
> She is director of recreation stuff in the Forests and is my contact
> for geocaching stuff there. She is based in Rolla.
>
>
> > Perhaps the forests would not have the same insurance requirements as
> the parks. One place that comes to mind is Huzzah State Forest in
> Leasburg. It's got thousands of acres of very interesting terrain, and
> its located right across the river from Onondaga State Park which has
> lots of campsites available. It's also right next to a pivate
> campground/canoe rental business that has many campsites and even some
> cabins available.
> > As a competitor, I might end up regretting suggesting this because the
> terrain at Huzzah is a real killer. LOL
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gc-rgs@xxxxxxxxxx
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 9:05 PM
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
> >
> > -
> > Michael,
> >
> > You bring up a lot of good points and some of us have briefly talked
> about
> > the same issues. We haven't even had a meeting yet to discuss the 2007
> event
> > and see how we can make improvements. I'm sure Mike has been thinking
> a lot
> > about the options.
> >
> > Over the past 3 years, all of the out of state folks said they want it
> held
> > in a different area to see more of the state since they have to drive
> so
> > far. That's why the location has been different each year.
> >
> > Another big "gotcha" with state parks is insurance. We must provide a
> $2
> > million ins. policy for participant, competing or just caching.. The
> cost is
> > about $2000.00 which is prohibitive. We had talked about Babler which
> is
> > close to St. Louis but still the ins.problem.
> >
> > I'm sure Mike will pop in when he gets caught up with his thoughts.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Rogers" <mrogers07@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:36 PM
> > Subject: [GeoStL] MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
> >
> >
> >
> >> -
> >> During the awards ceremony at MOGA this year Mike
> >> alluded to MOGA 2008. He said one of the ideas of its
> >> location could be in St. Louis proper, being held at a
> >> few parks simultaneously.
> >>
> >> While in theory, it may be a neat place to have it, I
> >> have some concerns about a few things:
> >>
> >> 1. To have MOGA at more than one main location could
> >> be a logistical nightmare. I haven't been in the
> >> planning process for any of these events, granted, but
> >> trying to set up events and activites in more than one
> >> park could be a pain.
> >>
> >> 2. How could we have any park to ourselves for the
> >> most part? Forest Park, one of the biggest, has the
> >> zoo, the Jewel Box, the museum and other attractions.
> >> I'm not saying an event couldn't be held there, for
> >> example, but the muggle quotient and gawkers would be
> >> high.
> >>
> >> 3. How many caches could you feasibly place in any of
> >> the parks? I know Forest Park is big and that would
> >> hold many, but to have enough for events you'd have to
> >> utilize many parks...not all of which are close by.
> >> This leads to...
> >>
> >> 4. If you were to use different parks for caches in
> >> the events, people should not have to drive to other
> >> areas as part of the competition. The last thing
> >> anyone needs are a bunch of cachers working against
> >> the clock and facing St. Louis traffic. That could be
> >> the recipe for accidents, and no one wants that.
> >>
> >> 5. Many people, including some of our friends from
> >> Minnestota, don't like the idea of urban caching for
> >> MOGA. I'm sure there are a few places with some hills
> >> in the area, but for the most part, the St. Louis area
> >> cannot compete with the Mark Twain Lakes, Meramecs and
> >> Hawns as far as topography. I'm sad to say that some
> >> people from Minnesota on their message boards and even
> >> some I spoke to at this past MOGA personally have
> >> questioned whether they'd even attend an "urban" MOGA.
> >>
> >> 6. Costs. I am not sure about camping facilities in
> >> the St. Louis area, but hotels there are not nearly as
> >> cheap as what we had at this past MOGA. This could
> >> turn some away. Some prefer camping to hotels
> >> anyway...I don't know how this could or would play
> >> out.
> >>
> >> That's about enough of the concerns...so how about
> >> some ideas?
> >>
> >> 1. Why not have the next MOGA in a previously-used
> >> spot? Meramec is a beautiful place and so is Hawn...is
> >> there something against using an old area in lieu of a
> >> new area?
> >>
> >> 2. Have you thought of using an area in the Ozarks?
> >> Lake of the Ozarks? Or, perhaps, in the St. Francois
> >> area in Sam A. Baker State park?
> >>
> >> 3. Perhaps a poll could be set up to vote on
> >> locations...
> >>
> >> Well, I have more ideas, but I am having writer's
> >> block so I might post more later. I just wanted to
> >> shoot this out to y'all.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for a great MOGA 2007!
> >>
> >> -Michael
> >>
> >>
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