Bernie, I really do like doing puzzle and harder caches and one of the most enjoyable and fun caches I have done to date was Rich's Daryl and Daryl but I know a lot of cachers who live away from an area just don't want to spend all day or even a few hours doing a single or 2 or 3 caches. When I come to St Louis, Columbia or anywhere else I have to drive a ways I look at easier caches preferably single stage though I am not adverse to multis as long as I don't have to wrack my brain figuring out each stage. It is a personal choice on my part and nothing against the placers of complex caches. If I lived close to that type of cache I would work on the stages a little at a time and then go after the grand prize. I am just trying to maximize my time and the number of caches I can find in the little amount of precious time I have for caching. And some day when I have finish all the easy ones or when I have more time I will be doing and trying all the harder ones too. Dan Bernie <happykraut@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } My 'ON THE BALL' GCMW25 will be three years old this month. It was the first of its kind in the St.Louis area. None like it had ever been around these parts. It has had 20 finds and 9 no finds. I do believe that most cachers are for the run and grab caches. Bernie --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.