Hey, Check out one of the logs by the guy who was the FTF on the Deathwish cache. And this one he DNF!! GmaLibby http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=538f427e-007f-43eb-89cd-5fc92d28c0f1&IID=2f6ae516-2ada-439e-ac4f-dcd32089b9d5 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------