[GeoStL] Re: Just a bit of Warning
- From: t.l.st.clair@xxxxxxx
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:55:53 +0000
Guys:
It doesn't matter if there are active tracks or not, if
you are on any railroad property you violate a state
statute. It's in section 389 RSMO 2001. Railroads
don't like paying settlements in lawsuits if you slip
and sprain your ankle on their land.
> Jenna's Black in Black cache:
>
> We found a place to get a level approach to the
> cache and it was a very short walk to the cache
> area. It was a cul-d-sac. Based on previous
> cache logs, we knew it was best to approach
> from the north.
>
> I'm usually uncomfortable with urban cache
> hunts, but this one wasn't bad for us. I also
> expected it to be on RR land where there
> were still tracks, but there were no tracks.
>
> I can't say the same for the 'Down By The
> Railroad Tracks cache', which thankfully
> was archived by geocaching.com because
> it was in a bad neighborhood, was an
> active RR, and you couldn't tell the trash
> from the cache.
>
>
> Dan Henke wrote:
>
> > This is true for an active right of way but this is an
> > abandoned section of track and the only thing left is
> > the grade ...no tracks at all ....The RR still retains
> > the right of way usually but sometimes it is deeded
> > over to the city or county....very very seldom is it
> > given back to private adjacent land owners ....this is
> > the reason I think that it was not privately owned but
> > I was not about to argue the fine points of the law
> > with an angry landowner
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --- t.l.st.clair@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > Dan:
> > > Just to give you the straight scoop, walking on
> > > railroad right-of-way is trespassing. All police
> > > officers, including railroad police, are empowered
> > > by
> > > the state to make arrests for being on the
> > > embankment,
> > > tracks, bridges, etc. Approved grade crossings are
> > > the
> > > only places where the public can legally cross
> > > railroad
> > > right-of-way.
> > > The law was enacted for several reasons, chief among
> > >
> > > them the number of people killed and injured on
> > > trestles. Railroad cops take trespassing seriously,
> > >
> > > something everyone should keep in mind. If my
> > > meomry
> > > serves me correctly, the offense of trespassing on
> > > railroad right-of-way is a Class A misdemeanor,
> > > which
> > > is punishable by a $1000 fine and or up to one year
> > > in
> > > the county jail.
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Just wanted to let you all know I had a bit of a
> > > run
> > > > in today on one the caches.....I was looking for
> > > > Jenna's Black In Black (GC44B3)....I had a heck of
> > > a
> > > > time figuring out where to park but finally parked
> > > on
> > > > the street and climbed up to the RR grade ....I
> > > found
> > > > the area of the cache and noticed that near a
> > > > Powerline pylon there were a lot of pictures and
> > > other
> > > > papers....looks as if someone had stolen either a
> > > > wallet or address book and scattered what they did
> > > not
> > > > want all over....I gathered up all I could and put
> > > it
> > > > on the pylon base with the intention of trying to
> > > > figure out who to contact with it....I then looked
> > > for
> > > > the cache and as I was looking someone across the
> > > > fence hollered at me wanting to know what I was
> > > doing
> > > > there....I tried to explain but he was not
> > > interested
> > > > in any explanation....He stated that I was on
> > > Private
> > > > Property (which I was not if I understand RR right
> > > of
> > > > ways and Power line easements correctly) and that
> > > I
> > > > needed to leave or he would call the police....I
> > > > apologized to him for inadvertantly crossing his
> > > > property (I did not but it was not worth the
> > > argument)
> > > > and told him I was leaving....He then again
> > > threatened
> > > > to call the police if I did not get off his land
> > > right
> > > > away....I left without finding the cache or
> > > removing
> > > > any of the pictures or papers that I found.....I
> > > don't
> > > > think I will go back to this one...I'd just as
> > > soon
> > > > not meet an angry citizen with a gun or the police
> > > on
> > > > my way out....Budlvr40 I just wanted to let you
> > > know
> > > > what had happened ....my recommendation on this
> > > one
> > > > would be to archive it and set out one somewhere a
> > > > little less hostile....
> > > >
> > > > Dan (Thunder)
> > > >
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