[GeoSTL] Re: Hide vs Find
- From: Pam Ueltzen <pamela.ueltzen@xxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:32:56 -0500
Bruce,
Let me check with Tim to see if he will part with some of his stash before I
give them away. I might get in trouble if I give his stuff away. I'll let
you know what he says.
Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bruce S
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:29 PM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: Hide vs Find
Pam,
I am looking for variety. I want the type that the top is the widest
point (not like aspirin bottles where I can never get the paper out to sign)
Bruce
>From: Pam Ueltzen <pamela.ueltzen@xxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: Hide vs Find
>Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:24:12 -0500
>
>What size pill bottles are you looking for?
>
>Pam
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bruce S
>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:18 PM
>To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: Hide vs Find
>
>
>
>No because when I hide a box I just worry... Did I pick a good spot? Did I
>get the coordinates right? Did I get the stars count right? Is that
>really
>a good spot for parking? Is Private Snuffy's compass right? Was that just
>a smudge mark on Private Snuffy's map? How accurate was Corporal Snuffy's
>watch when he was walk at A.B km/hr?
>
>By the way does anyone have several pill bottles... the type that
>prescriptions come in? I need a bunch.
>
> >From: GC-RGS <gc-rgs@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: SLAGA vs. GeoStl.com
> >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:07:31 -0500
> >
> > > I have found if something bothers me I just go
> > > find a box hidden in the woods and everything seems fine afterwards.
> >
> >
> >Bruce,
> >
> >Shouldn't that now be changed to "I just go HIDE a box in the woods"?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bruce S" <bruces1321@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:58 PM
> >Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: SLAGA vs. GeoStl.com
> >
> >
> > > I think Paul has hit it correctly though I am with Dave in that I
>don't
> > > personally use SLAGA much. I don't like acronyms no matter what they
> >are
> > > but that comes from my days in the Army where everything is an
>acronym.
> >I
> > > do refer to St Louis Geocachers and I say look at geostl.com to find
>out
> > > more. It is important to be sensitive to decision made in the past as
> >we
> > > move forward to the future. I have found if something bothers me I
>just
> >go
> > > find a box hidden in the woods and everything seems fine afterwards.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Paul Konopacki <konopapw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [GeoSTL] Re: SLAGA vs. GeoStl.com
> > > >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:37:44 -0500
> > > >
> > > > > If a stranger sees it, they will have no idea what it stands for.
> > > >What are we trying to accomplish? I think we want to be
> > > >a resource for people who are interested in geocaching. I don't
> > > >think we are trying to make the world notice us.
> > > >
> > > >But if someone sees SLAGA on a hat and they
> > > >want to know what it is, then they ask. Isn't
> > > >that better than just another 'something.com'
> > > >that is overused today and doesn't invoke
> > > >any curiosity due to overexposure?
> > > >
> > > >In my mind, seeing SLAGA would invoke
> > > >some curiosity and I might ask the person
> > > >wearing or showing that name what it stood
> > > >for. For me, 'www.geostl.com' just by itself
> > > >gets lost in the .com clutter.
> > > >
> > > >One you explain what SLAGA is in a personal,
> > > >customized manner, you pull out your SLAGA
> > > >business card that happens to have www.geostl.com
> > > >listed on it.
> > > >
> > > >You seem to have the assumption that we're
> > > >not advertising www.geostl.com enough.
> > > >I completely disagree. Our site has been
> > > >submitted to search engines, referenced in
> > > >cache pages and emails, printed on business
> > > >cards, etc.
> > > >
> > > >Word of mouth is also getting us noticed.
> > > >The web site statistics show a dramatic
> > > >increase in traffic to the site every month
> > > >and that's based on our current method
> > > >of publicity. I think our recognition is
> > > >growing at a fine pace.
> > > >
> > > >I'm not adverse to using SLAGA and
> > > >www.geostl.com in the same sentence.
> > > >I do it all over the place without much
> > > >mental turmoil. But I have a problem
> > > >giving up one for the other at this stage
> > > >of the group's development.
> > > >
> > > >What we should be concentrating on
> > > >more than bickering over names, is
> > > >what is the group going to become?
> > > >Are we at a stage where we have to
> > > >become more formal? How do we
> > > >make decisions as a group of 56
> > > >members? Can we do what we want
> > > >with the group on a donation basis?
> > > >
> > > >Those are REAL issues.
> > > >
> > > > > Can't SLAGA be removed from the web pages
> > > > > text only. Why do the filenames, databases, etc
> > > > > need to be changed? If we don't see them, who cares?
> > > >
> > > >I don't live by the 'out-of-sight, out-of-mind' philosophy.
> > > >It only leads to trouble. Who cares? I care. I've seen
> > > >this type of 'name change' happen many times in my 20
> > > >years in the computer field. I've seen the mess it makes
> > > >to the maintenance of a program when it is only partially
> > > >implemented, or when the external changes, but the
> > > >internal doesn't. I don't want to voluntarily maintain a
> > > >web site under those conditions.
> > > >
> > > > > Perhaps we should do a survey of all the members to see where we
> >stand.
> > > > > 1. Should we keep the acronym SLAGA or not.
> > > > > 2. Should we promote the St. Louis Area Geocachers Assocation with
> >SLAGA
> > > >or
> > > > > GeoStl.com.
> > > >
> > > >3. Keep and use both SLAGA and www.geostl.com in their appropriate
> > > >context.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dave D wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My whole point of this thread is that I would like people that are
> >not
> > > > > familiar with the St. Louis Area Geocachers to be able to find us
> >and
> > > >know
> > > > > who we are by putting GeoStl.com on our website, email, hats,
> >t-shirts,
> > > > > bumper stickers or whatever. I don't think using SLAGA is going
>to
> > > > > accomplish this.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Your main argument when starting this thread was:
> > > > > >'SLAGA just isn't that attractive - it sounds like a coal
> >by-product.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >That's all we had to base your argument on, but now it's even
> > > > > >weaker because it's 'just because you don't like it'.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK - I don't like it for multiple reasons.
> > > > > Its not a very good sounding acronym to me. A few other caches
>have
> > > > > indicated this as well.
> > > > > It sounds like it has something to do with coal.
> > > > > It sounds like it has something to do with agricultural.
> > > > > It means absolutely nothing to anyone who is not part of the St.
> >Louis
> > > >Area
> > > > > Geocachers.
> > > > > If a stranger sees it, they will have no idea what it stands for.
> > > > > If we ever get a bumper sticker or t-shirts made, are we going to
> >put
> > > >SLAGA
> > > > > on it - or GeoStl.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regardless of whatever short name we choose for the St. Louis Area
> > > > > Geocachers Association - I think it will be a mistake to put SLAGA
> >out
> > > > > instead of GeoStl.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > Between ourselves, referring to the group as SLAGA is fine with
>me,
> > > >since
> > > > > its a lot easier to type out or say then St. Louis Area Geocachers
> > > > > Associaiton. But to put the SLAGA name out to the public instead
>of
> > > > > geostl.com, I think is a mistake.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't thing we are changing our name.
> > > > > > > We are still the St. Louis Area Geocachers Association.
> > > > > > > We would just not be using SLAGA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >That's even worse. Then we would have two names that
> > > > > >aren't related.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, we would only have one, because we wouldn't be using SLAGA
> >anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > >That's not the definition of '.com'. '.com' is for companies.
> > > > > >Organizations
> > > > > >are '.org'. In term of domain names, it would be been more
> >appropriate
> > > > > >for us to be '.net'. But that's beside the point. '.com' is part
> >of
> >a
> > > > > >domain
> > > > > >name. We are a geocaching group, not an internet web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > You certainly know more than I do regarding domain name extension
> > > > > definitions, however I chose .com for the ease of people finding
>the
> >web
> > > > > site.
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone only knows GeoStl and not the extension, they can enter
> >that
> > > >into
> > > > > a browser and it will add www and com to the name. Had I chosen
> >.net -
> > > >some
> > > > > other company or organization could grab up .com causing some
>people
> >to
> > > >be
> > > > > directed to the wrong web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also chose .com because it is the most popular extension out
> >there.
> > > > >
> > > > > The .com definition may mean companies - but it sure isn't the
>rule.
> > > >There
> > > > > are millions of .coms that are not companies.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we can afford it, perhaps we should get .net and .org too.
> > > > >
> > > > > >We are a geocaching group, not an internet web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep we are a geocaching group, not a web site, and not a SLAGA.
>We
> >are
> > > > > group of geocachers that has its own website and I think that is
> >what
> >we
> > > > > should promote instead of SLAGA, which means nothing to others.
> > > > >
> > > > > You (Paul) have obviously put an ENORMOUS time and effort into our
> > > >website
> > > > > (which I think is the best one out there) and I would like to
> >promote
> >it
> > > >for
> > > > > the benefit of all of us.
> > > > >
> > > > > >I am very aware of the changes that would be needed. (And they
> >aren't
> > > > > >just on the main web page as you seem to think). I don't expect
> > > > > >anyone who hasn't been deeply involved with the development of
>the
> > > > > >web site to know the full extent of the changes (or ever have to
> >deal
> > > > > >with them). However, what you just proposed above is to 'remove'
> > > > > >our group's identity from our main web pages - all because you
>just
> > > >don't
> > > > > >like the name SLAGA!
> > > > >
> > > > > Your absolutely right - I have no idea what it will take to make
>the
> > > >changes
> > > > > you are referring to. However, why would we need to make all
>those
> > > >changes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can't SLAGA be removed from the web pages text only. Why do the
> > > >filenames,
> > > > > databases, etc need to be changed? If we don't see them, who
>cares?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > As I recall when this was brought up a couple months ago -
>most
> > > >people
> > > > > >did
> > > > > > > agree that we wanted to get away from SLAGA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I don't recall that anyone in the discussion said that SLAGA
>*had*
> >to
> > > >go.
> > > > > >Only 4 or 5 members participated in the discussion. The
>discussion
> >was
> > > > > >not a serious one, so all alternatives that resulted were silly
>or
> > > > > >inappropriate.
> > > > > >The discussion died with no conclusion (just like it did with the
> > > >logo).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This issue might be a 'pet peeve' of yours, but you don't seem to
> > > >realize
> > > > > >that
> > > > > >SLAGA has come to represent our group. I'd really hate to see us
> >lose
> > > >that
> > > > > >progress and momentum because you just don't like the name SLAGA
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, I don't give a darn how this comes out - but my limited
> > > >marketing
> > > > > skills tell me that we would be better off promoting GeoStl.com
> >instead
> > > >of
> > > > > SLAGA.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our goal is the same - we just need to decide how we are going to
>go
> > > >about
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps we should do a survey of all the members to see where we
> >stand.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Should we keep the acronym SLAGA or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Should we promote the St. Louis Area Geocachers Assocation with
> >SLAGA
> > > >or
> > > > > GeoStl.com.
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