Unless you were once hunting an RGS cache and had a fleeting "that COULD BE the cache" thought when eye-to-snout with a small curled up snake in a spring house. That's when you get your husband to get a stick and poke it. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Henke Flash picture that is a great idea hadn't really thought of that though I have used the trick to look inside of walls and things in historic buildings. I will remember that the next time I go .....that way if you make the snake extremely mad by poking him with a stick you at least give yourself a chance of not being bitten by blinding him :P Dan Jack Konecker <jack.konecker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Instead of sticking a hand into a deep dark place, many geocachers carry a walking stick and use the stick to move things around. Let the snake bite the walking stick and not the hand!