[GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first....
- From: GLNash@xxxxxxxxxx
- To: Chris Binder <cpbinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:28:25 +0000 (GMT)
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Actually, i dont get out all that much anymore. At least, not like i used to.
AND, 'da Bear is doing most all the important SLAGA work now. I just help once
in a while.
Cache approval is still a valid discussion point.
Moving from the uneversally known as true premise of "(some) cache approvers
cheat, therefore approvers should not hunt caches in wich they have helpful
info." We can expend that a bit.
Since Cache approvers are just regular geocachers.. then regular geocachers
cheat too and should not hunt caches if they have helpful information.
Since helpful information comes from other cachers, then when one should not
hunt geocaches in the presence of other cachers for fear of recieving some
helpful information and therefore would be cheating when logging a find.
If cache hunting in a group or team, only the actual finder should claim the
find. Any other cacher that logs the find would have recieved info from the
other team menbers and would also have cheated.
Since all geocaching friends talk to other geocachers, a cacher really should
refain from hunting caches placed by any friend since it is assured that they
will have discussed the cache and passed "helpful information" to help find the
cache. That would then be cheating for sure.
Another stepe in the line would be that really, since everybody knows somebody,
and everybody talks, only the very 1st finder of a cache would be allowed to
log the find since he is sure to talk to other cachers and thus spread helpful
information. All discoveries after the 1st finder should really just be a note
of the activity, to do otherwise would surely be cheating too.
Seems this is all as stupid as the founding premise.
I think all this could be done away with if we didnt have cache approvals or
cache as groups or have friends that geocache. Since Navecache and
waypoints.org dosnt approve anything, all we need to do is list with Navecache,
get rid of all our geo-friends then we can assure everyone that no one is
cheating. That all seems easy enough. :-) :-)
glenn
> -
> IMHO: I have to agree with greg. I think that glenn is just doing his job.
> He is volunteering his time approving all of the caches in the whole region
> after all...not to mention run important SLAGA things at the same time!
> Where does he find time to geocache?
>
> ~Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg & Bobbi Crouch" <mo_crouchs@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:00 AM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first....
>
>
> > -
> > Isn't this how the big league brawls start? People, it's just a game. Who
> > cares if you are the first, the only time you need be concerned is if you
> > are the last person to find a cache because then and only then there's a
> > problem. Foot stomping won't do anything but smash the vegetation and make
> > the park rangers upset with us. When my son was about 4 or 5 and he would
> > watch a movie that would scare him I would tell him it's just a movie and
> > there was nothing to worry about. I will say that to any other 4 or 5 year
> > old that's out there today, but to the rest of you I would like to think
> you
> > are over that phase of your life. Once again, it's just a game. Personaly
> > I'm glad we have an aprover near-by.
> > Greg ( HereFishyFishy )
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Glenn" <Glenn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:38 PM
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first....
> >
> >
> > -
> > bullshit
> >
> > At 07:16 PM 7/18/2003, Eric & Dayna East wrote:
> > >-
> > >As stated in my first message, I wasn't trying to knock anyone. I was
> > >simply making a general
> > >statement. I'm sure Glenn (or most of the approvers) would not
> > >intentionally use the inside
> > >info to their benefit. However, there are a lot of dishonest people out
> > >there who would &
> > >probably do. That is why I said that approvers shouldn't hunt local
> > >caches. What I should've
> > >said was: out of fairness they should avoid those caches where they've
> > >been given additional
> > >"helpful" information that the general caching community would not have
> > >access to.
> > >Glenn, I apologize if I came off like I was accusing you of something!
> > >
> > >Eric
> > >
> > >"d-a-v-e@xxxxxxxxxx" wrote:
> > >
> > > > -
> > > > I wouldn't worry about Glenn either=2E He really doesn't get that many
> > fir=
> > > > st
> > > > finds=2E Its hard to beat cachers like Strider and Ma and Pa=2E=20
> > > >
> > > > Original Message:
> > > > -----------------
> > > > From: GC-RGS gc-rgs@swbell=2Enet
> > > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:55:35 -0500
> > > > To: geocaching@freelists=2Eorg
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first=2E=2E=2E=2E
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Eric,
> > > >
> > > > I don't think you need to worry here=2E I go out with Glenn a lot and
> I
> > ca=
> > > > n
> > > > guarantee you that he has the same sheets printed out that you or I
> > would
> > > > have=2E There are no handwritten numbers on the sheets either=2E Since
> > thi=
> > > > s is a
> > > > game that depends on the honor system of logging, any of us could
> > probably=
> > > >
> > > > log caches on GC=2ECOM and never physically visit the cache or write
> in
> > th=
> > > > e
> > > > log book=2E I know I don't verify every log entry with the logbook on
> my
> > > > caches=2E
> > > >
> > > > Glenn is keeping track of the WP's and final location of the multi's
> to
> > > > allow him to verify the locations are valid and within the GC=2ECOM
> > guidel=
> > > > ines
> > > > (not near a RR, in a natural area, etc)=2E He can then keep track when
> > new=
> > > >
> > > > caches are placed to ensure that the =2E1 mile between caches rule is
> > true=
> > > > =2E
> > > >
> > > > Having a cache approver in our area has a big advantage since he knows
> > > > details that other approvers don't=2E For instance, Katy trail and
> Grant
> > t=
> > > > rail
> > > > show up as a RR track on the maps, but they are converted bike
> trails=2E
> > > > Rockwoods Reservation is off limits but the maps show a large park=2E
> > Out =
> > > > of
> > > > state approvers wouldn't know that information=2E I think the closest
> > > > approvers other than Glenn are in TN and KY=2E
> > > >
> > > > Glenn may be able to keep all the intermediate and final WP's in his
> > head
> > > > when we go caching, but I guarantee you he does an excellent job of
> > hiding=
> > > >
> > > > it=2E :-)
> > > >
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Eric & Dayna East" <lichanura@mcleodusa=2Enet>
> > > > To: <geocaching@freelists=2Eorg>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 6:58 AM
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first=2E=2E=2E=2E
> > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > NOTE: This is not a knock on anyone but=2E=2E=2E=2E
> > > > > It seems a little unfair that cache approvers sometimes get info
> from
> > th=
> > > > e
> > > > cache placers that others do not have access to=2E In some cases, they
> > get=
> > > >
> > > > exact locations=2E I think it
> > > > > would be best if cache approvers did not approve caches in their
> area
> > fo=
> > > > r
> > > > this reason=2E
> > > > > Now as to how the "big guns" get to caches so quickly=2E=2E=2E There
> > are=
> > > > e-mail
> > > > services that will notify you when a new cache is placed=2E Also
> > Buxleys =
> > > > web
> > > > site maps are pretty good
> > > > > at getting the caches listed in a timely manor=2E Besides that you
> can
> > d=
> > > > o
> > > > daily searches for new caches on GC=2Ecom
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > >
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