So I've been caching quiet a bit in the last few weeks, and I think it's about time I start my cache. And as it happens Montgomery City is painfully short of cache's in the town itself. The wife and I have a few idea of where to start some, mainly it two city parks. Any advice on how to approach a city official who probably hasn't heard of geocaching and maybe not be in the mind set to understand it? -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning The only way government can give one American a dollar in the name of this or that good thing is by taking it from some other American by force. My Software never has bugs. It just develops random features.