[GeoStL] From the forums.... (MoGeo forums)

  • From: Glenn <GLNash@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Geocaching Freelist <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:34:26 -0500

Posted Today, 11:30 AM

My usual mode of operation is to do what we can get away with until we get 
caught  :-) 

As a result, we get a lot of stuff listed to go find that all looks pretty fun 
and creative and it creates little if any problems. I have been caught in the 
past with assuming permission has been granted for this and that and not really 
following up on that stuff. 

In the last several months my rate of getting caught has gone up just a notch 
to where we are not really sneaking under the radar much anymore. Outsiders 
really do see what we are doing. Things that create problems are mostly 
permissions and legality issues. Conservation areas without permits, park 
systems and private property without adequate permissions ect. As a result I 
need to tighten up things just every so slightly to make it look like we being 
as complete as we can be. 

If I recognize an area needs permission I am going to ask about it. If you tell 
me that you indeed have permission I will ask from who, (or whom, i get these 
confused), I may or may not ask for complete contact info.Name, title, email 
and phone. In light of things, I probably will so don't act surprised when i 
do. I used to ALWAYS contact the parks people to double check permissions and 
to thank them for allowing us to hid things in the parks. I got away the ALWAYS 
part and would only contact once in a while. I may go back to the ALWAYS part. 
Most of the time they like to hear from us and they like it when we play by 
their rules. 

Remember that parking lots are indeed private property. It is illegal to stop 
on a lot of roadways unless it is an emergency. I am trying to figure out 
exactly where we can and cant stop. I know the extremes but the middle ground 
is fuzzy. For example, ya cant stop on the interstate to play games and have a 
picnic. When i was in England it was common to just pull over on the motorway 
and picnic in the median and shoulder areas, not here tho. It IS common and OK 
to stop on forest roads & country county roads. It is everything in-between 
that causes the biggest problems. 

The legality of the "right of way" is also a big issue. I have spoken with lots 
of law enforcement and conservation law enforcement folks to determine just 
what is what. Again, I don't have the written statues but do have the rules 
that the guys and gals on the streets use. From the roadway to the ditch along 
the road is commonly considered the right of way. So that is something like 
10-15 feet most of the time? maybe? I get lots of caches submitted 200 feet off 
the pavement. That seems like it is off the right of way. I will ask about it. 
If you do not know who owns what I am going to assume it is private property. 

Arrrg, I am out of time but I think you get the idea. I am going to be asking 
more questions about everything. Oh, if you submit a puzzle, also submit how 
the puzzle if solved. If you look at my cache finds you will see that I almost 
never log them. I am not a good puzzle solver I am not going to run out and 
start logging all the puzzles in the state. Actually, if you look at my logs 
you will see that I haven't logged any massive amounts of caches since about 
geowoodstock 2. I have logged a few but I just never really get around to it so 
not to worry, I will not be claiming any FTF's on your puzzles.  :-) 
As a reviewer, I am prevented from doing so anyway. Your solutions are safe 
with me. 

got to run. 

thats about it. 
"Seek quality, not quantity".
Your friendly Missouri Geocache Review team is
Glenn (*gln),   & Mongo 

How to get your cache published quickly: http://tinyurl.com/yhnva3g

Areas needing permission in Mo. http://tinyurl.com/lgyy84

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