- If you want FREE extremely high quality topo/trail maps that I have made for your Garmin GPS, read on. I am willing to do a training on how to set up and use them. Anyone who has Garmin's TopoUSA knows while it has some usefulness, it has many flaws and limitations. It is based on the 1:100,000 USGS maps so it does not show the terrain well. The Topo lines are also at weird elevations and the hydrology leaves much to be desired. It has few if any trails. Another major problem is they will not route and you can either show it or City Navigator. The 24K National Park series solves these problems, but it is expensive and only covers a few areas (in our area the Mark Twain and Shawnee National Forests). The solution is make your own Topo maps with this process: http://home.cinci.rr.com/creek/garmin.htm It has a steep learning curb, but once you figure it out, you can make a map in about 20 minutes. I already have made about 50 maps. Almost all the STL area is covered. Here is a link to see all my maps: http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/maplist.php?author=4216 Anyone can download and use them for free. The problem is it is a bit complicated getting it set up for mapsource and you have to download 50 files and do a lot of file editing to get it all set up. I will admit, it can be a daunting task. Once it is initially set up, it is real simple to use. It is also real easy to add new maps or replace a map with a newer version. I showed Strider and Crowesfeet the maps yesterday at lunch and they were impressed. Their problem was they had not taken the time to figure it all out. So I made an offer to them which I will make to everyone, I am willing to make CDs with all the files you need and put on a training on how to use them. You could bring your laptop and get it set up there or learn how to install it from the CD. With the CD, all you would have to do is copy the files onto your harddrive, then double click on a file to enter 3 lines into your registry. Then they will show up in MapSource and you can select them for download like any other maps. Once you have it set up, to install an update of a map, all you have to do is replace the old file and run map.bat. To add a new map, all you have to do is edit a file by adding IMG=filename and then running map.bat. That is all there is to it once it is set up. I have made 3 basic kinds of maps. They are transparent overlays for City Navigator (Select). You see City Navigator and the topo lines, trails, hydrology, etc over City Navigator. (Autorouting still works and you can turn them off like any map set if you want (I NEVER turn them off). Topo Maps: The data for the topo maps is more accurate than the data used for the USGS 1:24,000 maps. I mostly use a 10 foot contour interval. In some places where it is really steep, you get too many topolines and in those places I use a 20 foot contour interval. So you end up with extremely accurate topo lines that clearly show you the terrain of the land. This is very useful for figuring out how to get to a cache. It also shows the hydrology. Most places have high resolution hydrology data (but not all). So you also have very accurate location of streams and lakes which can also be very useful in finding caches. POI Maps: These maps have USGS point data. They include things like Summit names, valley names, etc. Any point that is on the 1:24K USGS maps is in these maps. I also found some files from the state of MO that has the location of all known springs (about 50,000) and sinkholes (about 50,000) and have included this data into the MO map. Trail Maps: You can walk or bike a trail and then convert the track file into a trail maps. You can also trace stuff on google earth/expertGPS and make a trail map. They will show with the topo lines over City Navigator. I have GPSed many many trails. I also have GPSed roads in parks that do not show up on City Navigator. I also have the locations of things like parking areas, shelters, trail markers, and other features mapped. So if you go to a place like West Tyson and load my maps, you will see all the roads, the shelters (and their names), the trails (and their names), the streams, and the topo lines. It makes finding caches much easier. My St. Louis area trail map right now has 522 trail/road segments and 656 places in it. Even better the St Louis County Parks Department has GPSed almost all the trails in county parks and they are going to send me the data to add to my map. They told me today, I should get it in a week or two. Once I get this, I will add it to the trail map. I also have a trail map for IL and MO for trails outside the STL area. I regularly update the trail maps and upload a new version. (Remember to update your map once it is installed, all you have to do is download the new version and then run map.bat). It would be great if others contributed trail segments/places. To do it, all you have to do is set your tracking to most often and keep track of when you leave the trail. Then you use mapsource to clean it up (remove parts off the trail and any other tracking error) and if the segment has a trail name, name the track file that. For points, I just need a waypoint. Then send it to me and it takes me a couple of seconds to add it to the map. For MOGA, I already have a topo map of the area. If someone wants to GPS the trails in the area, I can add that to the MO trail map. Another thing to remember is since the maps are MapSource maps, you can open a gpx file and see where the caches are in relation to the trails and topography. So if people are interested in getting a CD of the maps and training, let me know and we can work on a time and place. We need a quite place where we can use laptops. Jim Bensman 1802 Main Street Alton, IL 62002-4724 (618) 463-0714 **************************************** For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw