[GeoStL] Re: Did I miss something?
- From: "Jim Williams" <jim.williams2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:55:59 -0600
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You get what you pay for. If you want reliable email, then you should go
ahead and use a paid service. If you have problems with that service, then
they are accountable because they are getting paid to give you good service.
Free email services are only accountable to their advertisers.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sara Gomer
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:29 PM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Did I miss something?
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no problem, it just makes me wonder how much important stuff I could be
missing related to my school work or anything else since some of my
instructors and group project memeber email me through yahoo. My husband
suggested I change everything I have over to the charter email that I have
but never use (it's part of my charter cable internet but I didn't want to
mess with changing everything over to it before and possibly have to change
it all again if we didn't keep the cable internet. But the more I see the
more I think I'm better off with a paid email service of some sort. The
yahoo thing has been an issue for months but it's gotten much worse the last
3 weeks. I can see having issues for a few days here are there but I think
they've made their free email (100MB storage) so attractive that they didn't
plan enough server capacity to handle it all, that's jsut my feeling of
course.
>From: Mike Lusicic <lusicic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Did I miss something?
>Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:04:44 -0600
>
>-
>Well, different story then. I thought we were talking about stuff being
>slow today. My guess is they are trying to do maintenance without anyone
>noticing it, and they are not doing such a wonderful job at it. Either
>that, or they are having server problems and their fail-over
>contingencies are not working out very well.
>
>The free services are falling all over each other trying to be number
>one and trying to keep the competition from gaining any ground. So it
>wouldn't surprise me if they are trying to grow their capacity to handle
>this stuff, and are not doing a very good job at doing it seamlessly.
>Just a guess, but if that is so, it may not be a chronic problem. I am
>not really on their side or anything, just trying to offer some
>information for your consideration. You may find the same problem at the
>competitors when they need to do something similar. Then again, they may
>get it right. There may be somebody sitting there thinking that since
>90% of the email is spam, who is going to know if it is a day or two
>late or out of order, so they may be taking a calculated risk that
>anyone will notice any of the problems they have not accounted for in
>their plan. Who knows?
>
>Sorry if I was explaining the obvious. I had no way of knowing.
>
>Sara Gomer wrote:
>
> >-
> >Mike,
> >
> >I totally understand how all that works. My beef is that when I signed
>up
> >for this list over a year ago I got most mails w/in a few hours. Now
>it's
> >ridiculus. Today I got 3 emails from the SLAGA list from THURSDAY. Come
>on
> >4 days to get an email? And they aren't even coming in even remotly in
> >order. The emails from friday/sat weren't making sense as I read them so
>I
> >went to the archives and read them in order. Most of the time I don't
>have
> >the time to go to the archives to read them, that's why I have them
> >delivered to my email to begin with. I can handle some lag to email but
>I
> >have issues with 3-4 days of lag. Makes me wonder how much other mail
>Yahoo
> >could be losing. While scanning the archives I saw several messages
> >regarding Montauk that I never recieved and that was over a week ago. My
> >mail box is huge and nowhere near full so
> >I know it's not a storage space issue either. Not one of the emails from
> >today has hit my yahoo acocunt so far.
> >
> >Sara
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Mike Lusicic <lusicic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Did I miss something?
> >>Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:40:51 -0600
> >>
> >>-
> >>I think he was kidding. But regarding the email thing, I would wait
> >>awhile and see what turns up. eMail is not the instant thing most folks
> >>think it is. That is what IM is. With email, the outgoing server places
> >>the messages into queues. The sending server has to look up the IP
> >>address of every mail server it has to deliver mail to, and then contact
> >>that server and then send the mail to that server. To minimize the
> >>connection overhead, it may maintain a connection even after is sends
> >>all the mail in the queue for that server. So if mail gets dumped into
> >>one of those queues, it gets sent off quickly. Otherwise it sits there
> >>until a connection comes open that it can use, then it will sent that
> >>message.
> >>
> >>On the other end, when mail is received, it is again put in a queue.
> >>After that, another process scans the queue and puts the mail into the
> >>proper mail box. If you are on a huge server, this may take some time,
> >>and there are priorities set up so that certain mail may get priority
> >>over other mail, so a message may sit for several minutes (an in some
> >>case hours) before it actually winds up in your mailbox.
> >>
> >>If there are any problems with any of the servers in between, then
> >>things get delayed even further. I have had mail from the same
> >>individual get delivered in really wacky order. Like they forgot an
> >>attachment. I received the apology email with the attachment before the
> >>email without the attachment that was sent first in error. In that case
> >>the receiving mail server had several "threads" set aside to process
> >>mail with attachments, and many more assigned to mail without
> >>attachments. By chance, at that time of day, the lower priority threads
> >>(those that handled attachment email) were not busy, while the other
> >>threads were swamped. That is what caused the mail to arrive in weird
> >>order that time. Of course that is not what we are talking about here,
> >>but I just used it as an example how you just cannot tell what is going
> >>to happen between mail servers. Especially those being hammered as much
> >>as yahoo and hotmail.
> >>
> >>Sara Gomer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-
> >>>Ok I'm lost. I don't think I've been getting all the emails from the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>list through this yahoo addy. So this morning I added another email
>addy
> >>(same name on hotmail) to be used only to recieve the list.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I read Jeff's suggestion about a dinner/thank you/ group hunt for BAJA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>clan and replied to it when I checked my mail here. Then I checked the
> >>hotmail and saw that someone said the party for Amanda was today. Did I
> >>miss an important event here?
> >>
> >>
> >>>For those now wondering I will continue to use this as my main email as
> >>>
> >>>
> >>so much stuff is linked to it and I seem to only be misisng mails from
>the
> >>SLAGA email list. I may occasionally send messages to the list from
> >>outdoorlady79 @ hotmail.com but will only be getting newsgroup messages
> >>over there.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sara
> >>>
> >>>---------------------------------
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