[GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down

  • From: Michael Rogers <mrogers07@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:03:11 -0800 (PST)

You fail to grasp my point, Jim. What you define as lame does not mean everyone 
else thinks it's lame. My problem with your opinion is that you think that what 
constitutes lame in your eyes should be accepted as law by everyone else.

As Andrew said, find caches that you like and hunt them...if you don't like 
other caches, don't. 

-Michael



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From: Jim Bensman <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 10:52:58 AM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down

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Absolutely!  I do not think every cache should be wheel chair accessible.
It sounds like you are suggesting they should all be wheelchair accessible.
I've seen lots of quality wheel chair accessible caches (the one I described
is wheel chair accessible) and I have seen lots of lame wheel chair
accessible caches.  You can filter for wheel chair accessibility but you
cannot filter for lameness.  

Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last" 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Senger
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down
> 
> -
> So you feel that people in wheelchairs shouldn't be afforded the same
> number of opportunities to find caches as someone who isn't?
> 
> I've said it before: if you don't like the caches, don't do them.
> There are thousands others out there that will appease your needs.
> 
> 
> Andrew Senger
> asenger@xxxxxxxxx
> http://www.yawetag.net
> "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. He's also
> postmaster and probably traffic cop, too. All the jobs for sports
> referees are probably filled, though." --Lemel Hebert-Williams
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jim Bensman <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > It would not be so bad if the quantity caches had not overwhelmed the
> > quality caches and there was no way to filter out the caches that
> don’t take
> > you to an interesting location or hide a cache in a creative way.
> Look at
> > that video I posted the link to.  How many people consider that
> geocaching?
> > That is what the numbers hounds are pushing caching too.  I say it is
> time
> > to push back against the nothing matters but numbers crowd and push
> for what
> > Geocaching started out as.
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > The argument that some people cannot go after more physically
> challenging
> > caches is a red herring.  The issue is if the cache placer throws a
> cache
> > any place it is possible to place a cache or takes the time to find
> an
> > interesting and appropriate spot for a cache.  So many of these
> numbers
> > caches are placed on store parking lots without obtaining permission
> to
> > place the cache on the private property.  A fairly new cache placed
> over by
> > me was in a parking lot by a mural and the cache page indicated they
> had
> > permission from the owner.  That’s the distinction between quality
> and
> > quantity.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Bensman
> > "Nature Bats Last"
> >
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bernie Ver Hey
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down
> >
> >
> >
> > Well put, Michael. Bernie
> >
> >
> >
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Rogers
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:57 AM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, this all boils down to personal choice.
> >
> >
> >
> > You may not like a lot of the caches out there, Jim, but many people
> do. I
> > know you don't like puzzle caches and apparently don't like working
> on them
> > (as evidenced by your map page that requests puzzle cache solutions
> in lieu
> > of donations) but I personally like them, as do many others. Should
> they be
> > banned just because you don't like them and have been around in this
> hobby a
> > long time?
> >
> >
> >
> > Let people enjoy caching as they see fit to enjoy it. You may not
> agree with
> > it, but one person's feeling shouldn't be able to trump the feeling
> of
> > others...
> >
> >
> >
> > -Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Jim Bensman <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 10:48:20 PM
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down
> >
> > -
> > Actually, lots of the number hounds cannot be bothered with taking
> the time
> > to log a cache.  So they have developed shuffling.  They replace the
> first
> > container with one with a signed log, they sign the log on the way to
> the
> > next cache, and then replace the cache with the previous cache.  Then
> they
> > act like they are super cachers.
> >
> > I've been thinking of a cache and calling it the "Yellow Jeep
> Cache."  It
> > would be an ammo box with 30 black decoy film canisters.  Then there
> would
> > be a clear film canister that is the real cache.  You will be able to
> log it
> > every time you put the clear one back in and refind it.  I think I
> would
> > limit it to 5,000 finds a day (and each could be a FTF in its new
> > location).  I would only require them to sticker the log once and
> then put
> > how many times they found it on the log.
> >
> > Jim Bensman
> > "Nature Bats Last"
> 
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