Nancy; Don't know much about the contacts for MDC except for around the St. Louis area. John Vogel (636-441-4554) seems to be the contact for Weldon Springs and I assume the St. Charles area. Le-roy placed a cache in Victoria Glades (near Hillsboro) and Cathy de Joy (not sure of the spelling) signed the permit. I'm not sure what office she is from, but the number is 636-458-2236. Check out the new Missouri Geocachers Assn. website at www.mogeo.com for info on cities and areas that allow (or don't allow) caching and their policies. The list is far from complete and is updated constantly. the MDC website for regional offices is http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/about/srvcentr.html. There are a lot of good caches in Busch Wildlife/Weldon Springs area. Check out a couple that you think sound interesting for examples. Our 2003 Spring picnic was held in one of the shelters at Busch wildlife. Let us know how it goes for you. Rich (RGS) ----- Original Message ----- From: TKLNHL To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Conservation Department Caches Are there any names I can drop in getting permission to place a cache on Conservation land? My husband had talked with the soon-to-retire guy last month. He said that he knows there are caches out there but that as far as he knows no one has ever asked him for permission . He's out of Sullivan -- which used to cover our south-eastern area of Gasconade County. From what I've learned over the last month or so is that they are going to a County office system instead of more of a regional office. I have a call in to Jeff Demand in Linn, MO. Sullivan is pretty sure he covers the Gasconade are,a but, Columbia isn't so sure ... The lady answering the phones in Linn has only worked there a month and thinks he probably does but has never heard of one of the places I'm asking about (can't tell you either it's a secret ..) We don't want to just place something out there since we know one area is wildlife management area with foodplots etc. Another person in that office is Jennifer ...? Could anyone suggest or have the names of other agents they have worked with? Perhaps point out some well-done caches on Conservation land that I might be able to use as an example? Thanks! Nancy NHL of TKLNHL and Kyd