[GeoStL] Re: Common sense when hiding
- From: Mike Tollefson <mbtoll@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
I've got to say I agree with Mike here but I haven't done either one, yet. I
don't see anything wrong with the first one - it sounds typical of an urban
type hide. The second one I have major problems with. If I don't have my kids
with me - it appears to be just wrong to have a grown man investigating a
playground. As a parent I understand this point. As quoted below it is
frowned upon in the guildlines.
Mike
Michael Rogers <mrogers07@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-
Well, the first one sounds alright to me...but the
second one? I could see where it may raise some
eyebrows.
I don't know if you have read it, but the Geocacher's
Creed is a great baseline to follow. Is it official
GC.com policy? Not necessarily. Is it good common
sense? Yes.
Here it is: http://www.geocreed.info/
Part of that creed reads as follows:
"...Avoid Causing Disruptions or Public Alarm
? Don?t place a cache near schools or government
buildings unless the administration and staff are
fully aware of the placement.
]? Use caution where children play. Parents are
understandably concerned when strangers are near their
children.
? Don?t place a cache near critical infrastructure
that might be considered a terrorist target, or create
a cache that could be mistaken for a terrorist device
(e.g. a pipe bomb)."
The second point is the one that would apply here.
These days, parents are (justifiably) concerned for
their kids' safety and it's easy to see how people
might become alarmed if they saw random people hanging
about a playground, looking around.
I'm not saying your cache is bad...it's just placed in
a way that might cause an issue down the road.
-Michael
--- Stephen Martin wrote:
> -
> Ok here I go again with issues I would like feedback
> on.
>
> I have two hides that are thorns in my side
> regarding others beliefs
> that they are inappropriate in the location.
>
> First is Independence via metro (GCWZT9) which is
> located near
> residences but on public space. The second waypoint
> brings you to a
> obviously city spot to gather more info and the
> final is tucked near
> a public sidewalk adjacent to an empty lot. I have
> followed hiding
> rules and it IS all on public property. However, a
> few seekers have
> shied away from it and questioned my use of common
> sense. I don't
> get it. Should all caches be away from any view of
> property owners?
> If so many many many caches are hidden without
> common sense.
>
> The second is Hagrid's Flyer (GC10YH7). This one is
> disabled, but
> today I will be moving the final to a different
> location but use the
> current coordinates as the start point still. It is
> on a piece of
> playground equipment and few folks have expressed
> concern regarding
> its placement because i assume they assume they will
> be viewed as
> perverts for being that close to a play ground while
> hiding. Is this
> not a family affair for many? Do children love this
> game as much as I
> do? The answers to both are YES. The cache is also
> very kid themed.
> I am moving the final because it is impossible to
> keep a container
> secured, not because of others undue concern.
>
> The way I see it, these caches are hidden within the
> guidelines set.
> The challenge of the hunt is to find them using a
> GPSr, info on the
> cache listing and common sense when seeking. Don't
> damage the area
> when you hunt, be stealthy and follow laws and
> ordinances in the hunt
> area. We have a right to use public space. I can
> find danger and
> possible negative Geocaching PR at any cache if I
> want, but I think I
> will search and hopefully find them instead.
>
> By the way, one cache is fairly new and the other is
> over 3/4ths of a
> year old... and no one has been arrested, nothing
> has been damaged
> and finds have been logged. I guess I just want
> some true evidence
> that these hides are inappropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance for helping me become a better all
> around player in
> this sport/game.
>
> Stephen
>
>
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