[GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
- From: "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:57:00 -0600
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Point taken. I just would prefer to sign every log and email on every
virtual so they know I have found it. I would however, not travel back to a
cache that I could not log if it was a great distance for me to do so. I
have done this only one time before but I did not log it. I was in the area,
spotted the likely location and there was someone right next to it. I waited
as log as i could and then left. I have not logged it. One day, I will be
back..I could not be 100 percent sure it was in that location even though it
was very obvious.. I guess that if someone actually spots the container then
that would count.
I know this is not a contest and those who do cheat are only cheating
themselves. I still think it should be a situation of danger more than
inconvenience that would warrant the exception.
Cache on!
Mike
The Brawny Bear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
> -
> If people are going to be dishonest, they are going to be dishonest.
> CCCooperagency was logging virtual caches (with answers that could be
found
> on the Internet) in different countries and states on the same day. We
are
> never going to stop people who will cheat.
>
> What we are talking about is honest cachers, so we should just deal with
> honest cachers. You are right, if they don't sign it, you will never have
a
> way to know for sure. I trust people to be honest. I've had 1749 logged
> finds of my caches and I only know of one time when I think a person
> cheated.
>
> I've been to situations where the caches are placed in very public places
> where it is hard to get them without giving away the location. I
remember
> one in Forest Park (by the Jewel House) that was in a tree. I saw the
> container, but someone was laying right by it.
>
> If it is not a big deal to come back when you can sign it, you should.
But
> if it is a long distance or hard to get to, I see no problem with logging
it
> if you actually spot the container. If people feel they have to sign the
> log, it would encourage people to sign it when signing it would expose its
> location.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Griffin
> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:48 AM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
> >
> >
> > -
> > By this login you could have people logging caches that they thought
they
> > saw when in actuality it was never near. I think that an honest person
> > wouldn't do this but you would find those that feel because it is
> > too muddy,
> > too high to climb, too far to reach they would just log it as if
> > someone was
> > around. You will also have those who are in a crowded area log it and
say
> > the park was full of people. There is no way to ever know if they truly
> > found the cache.
> >
> > I have been in crowded places where I needed to be very discreet. I
think
> > that that is part of the challenge. To remove this would jeopardize the
> > integrity of the game. I do not condone putting oneself in a dangerous
> > situation but I feel that you could return with someone to finish
> > the cache.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:09 AM
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Can I Log this as a Find?
> >
> >
> > > -
> > > IMHO, if you found it (and you did) you should log it. I'd rather
have
> > > someone do what you did than to log it and show others where
> > the cache is.
> > > A principle that you actually have to sign the log when people
> > are in the
> > > area would encourage people not to be discrete in such situations.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael
Chambers
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:48 AM
> > > > To: SLAGA Geocaching List
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Can I Log this as a Find?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Being a relative newbie, I'd like to get the groups opinion on
whether
> > > > or not to claim a find I made today. Here's the situation.
> > > >
> > > > I searched out a geocache in a popular St. Louis park this
> > afternoon. I
> > > > found the cache. I saw it from where I was standing, but I did not
> > > > approach it closely, or do anything to reveal its existence. As I
got
> > > > to this point (way down inside an enclosed area - with no easy
escape
> > > > route), I was approached by a guy who I saw follow me to this
> > location.
> > > > I was by myself, and he got way too close for my liking, so I
> > > > immediately got out of there. This other guy went back to a
pavilion
> > > > that he had come from, that was close by.
> > > >
> > > > As I was leaving, I observed a couple of other guys go to the same
> > > > location. Being curious, I watched to see if they were
> > heading for the
> > > > geocache. They did not, but they did go into the same
> > remote, enclosed
> > > > area. Not being that curious, I didn't stick around any more to see
> > > > what they were up to. I had a pretty good idea.
> > > >
> > > > This evening, I asked my brother (a St. Louis City P.D. sex crimes
> > > > detective) about this cache site, and he confirmed that this is a
very
> > > > popular meeting place for some members of the gay community. He
said
> > > > the guy who followed me was probably looking for a date.
> > > >
> > > > Now my dilemma. I need the group to let me know if I can
> > properly log
> > > > this as a find or not. I did find the cache, which is what the
whole
> > > > point is all about, but I did not open it, or log an entry in
> > the cache
> > > > log. I feel I should be able to claim this as a find, but not
unless
> > > > you all approve. I really don't want to go back there, and I
> > think that
> > > > the cache owner probably ought to move it to another, less popular
> > > > location. I'll contact that person separately with this
information.
> > > > At the very least, this is not a comfortable location to be alone
in,
> > > > and in fact it could be dangerous.
> > > >
> > > > Now, a quick disclaimer. I'm certainly NOT gay bashing, and I'm not
> > > > trying to imply that gays are someone to be afraid of. Quite the
> > > > contrary. A very close member of our family was gay, and
> > died of AIDS.
> > > > I just think that this is not a very safe location for a geocache.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your opinion on this,
> > > > Leanman
> > > >
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