The answers, according to the well written and informative cache page: he did; other beings, a compass, a large map and a very sharp pencil; he did. Scholars will tell you that George was a bit psychic and prone to visions. Now, I'm not saying he was truly born with a caul, but it's not out of the question that in between prophetic visions, fort building and hunkering down in the cold, he took some time out to invent Tupperware, which he then gave to a now unknown second to hide so that he could retrieve. Cache pages can be truly inspiring for the novice historian. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: ????????????Cache types????????????????? George Washington looked for a 5" Tupperware in a swamp hundreds of years ago? What did he use for the coordinates? Did he find it? tnsl <sydstyr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: We haven't done that cache (haven't done many local caches at all in the last year or so actually) but after hitting a few areas where the caches just plain .. "you know what".. as a family of three we now have the atitude that as long as we're getting to go some place other than an electrical box next to a dumpster in a Lowes parking lot; or a trash filled Cabela's parking lot; or a newspaper box in front of a Starbucks; or a 4' x 4' washed out, dirty information kiosk; then we're fine with just being shown something new. Is your cache in a deserving park with something worthwhile to compensate for a no find? Is the cache page well written with an explanation? Even if, on first appearances, caches seem uninspired then a good cache page can make up for that. We didn't mind tromping through the swamp for a 5" tupperware container because we knew that George Washington had done that same thing hundreds of years ago. We also didn't mind not finding one missing and one hard cache because one took us to a rails-to-trails overgrown, unused railroad offloading area and the other to a beautiful small town with a rambling trout stream. Both were fun places and had it not been for a cache we would not have "discovered" either place, and we took the detours because of the well written, well thought out cache pages. Now.. we also came across a few truly inspired caches in truly unispired places. That tricky "log in the bolt" was 100% wasted on a guard rail next to more dumpsters behind a Wal-Mart. It was also "easy" to find as it was the only bolt there! Meanwhile, the fake walnut container, truly inspired, was hidden in my now famous 150 year old historical wall behind obviously new concrete chunks. Cool container, beautiful area, but in our opinion, total waste of brilliant cache. The few caches we've placed lately I've tried to explain my reasoning for placing them where I have. Two are placed to be "easy" and cachers, experienced, reliable cachers, have managed to miss them. I only hope they appreciate my reasoning for placing them. I tried to think it out based on "If I'm a new tourist to this area, would this be an interesting find?" Just our opinion. Depending on why and how people cache, not everyone is always going to be happy. Normally, I have a lot of time to read pages and the last few logs while we're travelling. A lot of times I have a pretty god idea of what we're after before I get there. If there are logs that consistnetly say 200' off then we probably won't even stop. If one log says 20' off then I figure someone has bigger problems than not finding a cache LOL. If we get to a 1/1 and can't find it after 15 minutes then it's just time to move on. If it's a light pole I now don't log a no find because now I'm all uppity like that lol. If it's a flower surrounded gazebo in a town square and we're in a hurry and there are 1200 landscaping blocks to be poked and prodded then that gets a no find with a nice explanation. I guess you could say we've become geosnobs. But belive, me, after our trip to one Virginia town, we really have a better appreciation of the caches in this area. Soooooooooo.. I wouldn't worry about it lol. Change the symbol, but like Glenn said 43 cachers can't be wrong. Nancy Did anyone nominate me for the Cache Police??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/917 - Release Date: 7/25/2007 1:16 AM