I did (tried) one caceh called Hub of the Universe in Marion IL. There were special instructions that it was a high traffic area, and if it is too busy, just take a pic of the clock tower with your GPS and you can count it as a find. Well I went and in the spot that was described, there was a phisical crater about the size of an ammo box. Went back to the websites... the past 5 finds were "Did not find the cache but got a pic" Well because I do not feel that is right,I went and did a DNF for it. Only one time did I log one and not able to sign the log, that is Old St Lou, I pysically saw it, but too many muggles and I aborted operation, and I plan on when I get the chance to get back there early in the morning and sign that log. Jen <justjen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Does one have the right to delete a log if the person stated quote "Found this one but cache was missing. Seems to be a very busy area." This was logged as a find. We checked this cache last night and yes it is there. How would you deal with this? Thanks Jen Until one loves an animal, part of one's soul remains unawakened. Anatole France No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.6/69 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 Joe Taylor IS IT FRIDAY YET? Check out my NEW Web Page Favorite GC - Stories and Adventures UPDATED - JUNE 9,2005 Rockey the Flying Squirrell What is Geocaching (In case you are not in the Geocaching Mailing Groups) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com