[GeoStL] Re: Bogus MOGA logs-I have to admit, you had a good point

  • From: "Jim Bensman" <junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:10:25 -0500

Nathan,

 

If you are not doing it for the numbers, why would you log 28 caches that
you did not find?  Why is it cheating? It is not following the rules-you are
supposed to find the cache and sign the log.  You did not.  Would someone
going and finding some easy caches instead of punches and claiming the
caches as punches be cheating for the competition?  It seems like the same
thing to me.  I, however, think the real problem is MOGA sanctioning
cheating instead of making the course a cache finding contest.  I've asked
on the forums if this happens at other events and it appears MOGA is unique
in this regard.  When you hide a cache, you must check the box that you
agree to groundspeaks rules.     One of them is to delete logs like yours
("Delete any logs that appear to be bogus").  Why should not MOGA staff
respect the rules of Geocaching?  I think its great people do the
competition, but if you want to claim caches for the competition, the
competition should be finding caches, not punches.  

 

Since you are doing what MOGA Staff tells you is OK, claiming finds you did
not find is somewhat understandable.  However, I do not think there is any
justification for someone to be claiming a find for volunteering.  I
probably would not have sent my first message if after wading up to my waste
in cold water and getting a DNF, I had not found out that multiple cachers
(including some who's dishonesty has caused major problems over here with
someone taking it out on other cachers) had claimed the cache in exchange
for volunteering.

 

 

 

Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"

From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nathan Rover
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:42 PM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Bogus MOGA logs-I have to admit, you had a good point

 

Jim,

How about this? I logged the 28 caches that corresponded to the 28 punches
that I found while doing the individual competition, as outlined in this
post: 

http://www.mogageo.com/Joomla1.5/index.php?option=com_content
<http://www.mogageo.com/Joomla1.5/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&;
id=48:moga11-punches-and-associated-caches&catid=1:latest-news>
&view=article&id=48:moga11-punches-and-associated-caches&catid=1:latest-news

I don't think it's cheating that I calmed a find on a cache that I never
actually found, because I did find a smaller better hidden punch that
corresponds to that cache. Moreover, it's not like I'm doing it for the
numbers, I could have found far more caches in three hours had I of used my
bike and my truck to help. So, the fact that I competed actually decreased
the number of potential caches that I could have found in one day. In
addition, I made sure that my logs on those caches clearly stated that I'm
calming that find as a result of the competition, I didn't want to miss lead
or miss represent my finds on those caches. For once in my life, I'm not
being argumentative, or sarcastic, I'd truly like a virtual show of hands,
who here (Jim included) thinks that this constitutes cheating? Feel free to
contact me off list if you fear your option will incur the wrath of the
list...

-Nathan

(NateDawgCC)

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