[GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache?
- From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:10:12 -0500
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IMHO, if a cache is on private property the cache description needs to say
permission has been granted. I also think if a cache is near private
property the cache description needs to address that to make it clear on
where one can hunt for the cache. People need to think about where people
will look not just where the cache is placed.
It always amazes me how many people have no problem with private property.
I've seen caches that numerous people (including the cache owner) ignored no
trespassing signs.
I had a couple of good examples on the way to CO earlier this month. The
first was GCKBKH X marks the spot. It was obviously in someone's yard. But
with the accuracy of the GPS there were 3 yards it could have been in. I
posted this note:
"It appeared to be on private property. I do not go on private property
unless the cache page indicates there is permission. With the accuracy of
GPS, it would also be nice to let people know what yard it is in. So I went
on. I hope you address this in the cache description."
The cache page still does not address it and several logs had mentioned the
issue. But all kinds of people have found it.
I was looking for another one GCJ7AE and was looking at the GPS, when I
looked up I was in someone's back yard looking at a stump. It turned out to
be right by their fence in another stump. I made a point of this in my log
and I just looked and the next finder said they almost ended up on private
property. But there is nothing in the cache description that addresses it.
Then I went and did another GCJB6C. It was also on private property. My
GPS was pointing mostly to the Burger King and I searched there. I finally
looked on the Pizza Hut property and found it pretty quick. (I should have
looked at the cache placer's name as I would have figured out which property
it was on.) But I cannot complain too much as I got there about lunch time
and the cache had coordinates for a bonus cache around back that had a
certificate for a free pizza.
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
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Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache?
I found this cache last summer. The area in which it is located is indeed
rural, but really not far off the beaten track as the cemetery fronts the
local highway. The cemetery / private property line is not clearly indicated
by any fence or signage that I recall, and without knowing definitively
where the property line lies, I would say that this cache might be located
on or near the property line.
My recommendation is that the cache owner needs to temporarily disable the
cache and make a note both in the log section and in the description section
itself as to why. He then needs to get permission for the cache, which of
course he should have done already, and then enable the cache with
permission noted and by whose authority. The info portion of the cache page
should continue to contain a warning about the neighboring land owner who is
less than enamored of 'geo-catchers'. The owner could take it one step
further by contacting the disgruntled land owner and explaining both that
permission has been obtained and offer a detailed explanation of what
geocaching is and how our presence can help reduce the negative element that
seems to frequent the cemetery. Needless to say, if permission of the
cemetery owner is not obtained, the cache should immediately be archived.
On Aug 21, 2005, at 00:05, Jack Konecker wrote:
I wouldn't want to be led into the situation that
geo-jim encountered. If it is private property and
the cache placer (http://tinyurl.com/aj3hp)
didn't get permission to hide a cache there,
then I think he should archive it.
It is true that some cemetaries are on private
property. Unfortunately, they don't all have
signs next to them stating such. Caches in cemetaries
owned and maintained by churches would most
likely not have this type of problem (note I
didn't say 'never').
It is up to the cache placer to do the research
and get permission.
I hate to butcher an old saying, but 'ignorance of
geocaching policy is no excuse'.
> From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:35:24 -0500
> I guess my point is that it is a cache owner's
> responsibility to avoid exposing cachers
> to any unnecessary or excessive danger.
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