[GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache?

  • From: Mike Lusicic <lusicic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:24:57 -0500

- I tend to agree with pretty much all of this. Also, there should probably be a description of where the boundary is for trespassing since there is a sign but no other way of knowing. I have see this on other cache descriptions, and I don't think that should be optional. If you could reasonably wind up on private property, I think there should be something like that to keep people off where they don't really want to be in the first place.

There should be fair warning about the neighbor for those who feel they do not want to get involved with him. To me it is just another "obstacle" in getting there. If the cemetery doesn't belong to him, then he has no right to keep people out regardless of what someone else did on his property. If he has a problem with people on his property, then that is where he should be when he does his "discourage the trespassers" routine. Lets say his property is next to Wal Mart and he has the same problem. Does that give him the right to terrorize people who park in Wal Mart and carry on otherwise legal activity there? I am not an advocate of going in there with a chip on my shoulder, but I am a firm believer that we have to exercise our freedom, or we will certainly lose it.

The Deen Family wrote:
I found this cache last summer.  The area in which it is located is indeed rural, but really not far off the beaten track as the cemetery fronts the local highway.  The cemetery / private property line is not clearly indicated by any fence or signage that I recall, and without knowing definitively where the property line lies, I would say that this cache might be located on or near the property line.  

My recommendation is that the cache owner needs to temporarily disable the cache and make a note both in the log section and in the description section itself as to why.  He then needs to get permission for the cache, which of course he should have done already, and then enable the cache with permission noted and by whose authority.  The info portion of the cache page should continue to contain a warning about the neighboring land owner who is less than enamored of 'geo-catchers'.  The owner could take it one step further by contacting the disgruntled land owner and explaining both that permission has been obtained and offer a detailed explanation of what geocaching is and how our presence can help reduce the negative element that seems to frequent the cemetery.  Needless to say, if permission of the cemetery owner is not obtained, the cache should immediately be archived.

On Aug 21, 2005, at 00:05, Jack Konecker wrote:

I wouldn't want to be led into the situation that
geo-jim encountered.  If it is private property and
the cache placer (http://tinyurl.com/aj3hp)
didn't get permission to hide a cache there,
then I think he should archive it.
It is true that some cemetaries are on private
property.  Unfortunately, they don't all have
signs next to them stating such. Caches in cemetaries
owned and maintained by churches would most
likely not have this type of problem (note I
didn't say 'never').
It is up to the cache placer to do the research
and get permission. 
I hate to butcher an old saying, but 'ignorance of 
geocaching policy is no excuse'. 
> From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:35:24 -0500
> I guess my point is that it is a cache owner's
> responsibility to avoid exposing cachers
> to any unnecessary or excessive danger.

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