[GeoStL] Re: Archive this geocache?
- From: Dan Henke <thunder_monk@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
I have read the thread on this cache and would like to offer my opinion for
what it is worth.
First a lot of people are making an assumption that permission was not sought
and received....we don't know whether it has or not but would it not be more
appropriate to assume that it HAS been given rather than taking a negative
view. It probably should be noted in the cache description that it has been
sought and received but it is NOT required that it be and most caches do NOT
have that in the description.
Secondly from the log I read the irate land owner said "he owns the land around
and behind " but he never says he owns the cemetery and chances are he does
not...I have run into property owners both in surveying and caching and other
activities that will tell you that they own the land in question even though
they don't just to keep people away from "their" land. I could sight several
examples but that would take way too much space in this email.
Third ....I don't like discussions on archiving someone else's cache but as it
has been brought up I will say this.....NO ONE forces anyone to do any
particular cache...it is entirely up to the searcher and if they take the time
to read logs etc on a cache and it looks dangerous to them then they can pass
on the cache. If they feel strongly about it then they should contact the owner
privately and discuss it with him/her/them but it still should be left up
entirely to the owner of the cache and not subject to a discussion on the
forums or newsgroups. I don't know about any of you but when a cache of mine is
criticized without an email to me first I take it personally.....I try to put a
lot of thought and things into each cache and as the owner there may be things
about the cache I just don't put into my cache description either because I
don't feel it is relevant or because it will make the cache find to easy.
I ran into a similar situation on a cache I did a couple of years ago where an
irate land owner threatened to call the police because I was "trespassing" on
"his" property.....I was not and the cache was on very public land but this
owner did not like people around his property so he just told everyone he owned
the public park property as well. I sent an email to the cache owner and told
him of the situation and he then had the option to make whatever adjustments he
wanted to to the description or to archive or whatever he wanted but it was the
owner's right to make those changes and not have them dictated to him by
someone else.
I am a firm believer in the "rights" of the owner to set up his/her cache in
whatever manner that is desired otherwise all caches would be the same and the
fun of something new and different would be gone. Just because one person or
even a group of people don't like the way a cache is done or put together
doesn't mean they have the right to demand a change....they do have the right
however to do or not to do this cache.
Just my humble opinion
Dan (Thunder)
Know Future <know_future@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Last week Geo Jim described a tense encounter with an unfriendly landowner
while hunting the Chapman's Ball (GCKBKH) geocache. I was surprised at the lack
of comments in this forum. My question is this: given the possibility that
future visitors could be subjected to verbal abuse and even physical violence,
doesn't it seem prudent to consider archiving this cache? I'd like to hear your
thoughts.
Know Future
August 7 by Geo Jim (949 found)
"Pretty easy find and a nice peaceful place. Thanks for the cache!
One of the local landowners came by and told me how he doesn't much care for
hunters on his land, people drinking back there and "geo-catchers". I just
nodded and said, "Yeah.." at the right times. And thought of "Deliverance" as I
tried to hide my 'Geocaching 101' tee shirt.."
Note: this doesn't begin to describe the incident -- KF
JURA BAR QBBE PYBFRF NABGURE QBBE BCRAF
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